Science admits another lie
It's official -- Pluto is no longer a planet
Must have been a lie
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There were only 8 planets.
To science, a vote done by peers determines truth.
How many years before we go to 7 planets?
Good newspaper story from AP
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Evolution science is the higher authority to which all science appeals.
All of you that claimed Pluto was a planet, have mislead us.
Change the textbooks.
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"Evolution science is the higher authority to which all science appeals."
*Sigh* This is getting tiresome.
Evolution is just one part of science, idiot! It has nothing to do with Pluto, how life was actually formed, or whether the Earth is flat or not.
This astronomy had nothing to do with Evolution or lying, you fuckwit.
Dear Jesus Christ, give him a new brain, because his one must have broken down.
Amen.
I try not to cut and paste but this reminds me of one of my favorite movies, Return of the Living Dead...
Burt Wilson: I thought you said that if we destroyed the brain, it would die.
Frank: Well, it worked in the movie.
Burt Wilson: Well, it ain't working now.
Freddy: You mean the movie lied?
That said I echo what Tempus said in the first post. Knowledge and therefore facts change. Deal with it.
It is the second submitted comment from a stupid fundie whacko that clearly shows some people are disturbed by a change of defintion. What are they thinking? How does it work?
Which part of "planets don't fuse hydrogenium into heavier atoms in their center (otherwise they would be stars - Jupiter is quite short of being a star, actually), and their general shape is formed by their own gravity, and thats our new definition" don't they understand? Do they think definitions and standards never change, so evil evilutionists traveled to Pluto and cut it into half and accelerated one half into intergalactic space, so Pluto dropped out of the everlasting standard?
Scientists agreed to redefine "planet", so before that Pluto _is_ a planet, and after that it is no longer a planet. No lie or misleading involved.
Step 1: Continuously bitch about how science is "religion" and people who believe in science are so determined to stick their head in the sand and continue to believe something that's been disproven that they won't even consider an alternative theory.
Step 2: When scientists do change their minds based on new evidence, call them flip-floppers and go on and on about how this proves all science is a sham.
A couple of days ago, our solar system had nine planets. Now it has only eight, so one of them must be gone! I knew I felt a disturbance in the Force, as if something terrible had happened!
Seriously, this poster's argument is one of absolute desperation, if not an outright bit of trolling. Science is all about change -- learning new things, revising our understanding about the things we know already -- and occasionally that requires a shift in perspective, a redefinition of things. It's too bad that this unhinges some people so badly, but it can't be avoided -- and emotionalism aside, there's no real reason that it should be.
Pluto was popular as a planet, but there's no reason to be dogmatic about that designation (yes, pun intended!).
~David D.G.
"All of you that claimed Pluto was a planet, have mislead us."
Pluto is not a planet,
it is in fact, a dog.
Evil evolutionists have been lying to us all along.
Klaus:
that clearly shows some people are disturbed by a change of defintion. What are they thinking?
Fundies seem to not grasp the distinction between a word and the thing the word is applied to.
This leads them to think changing the word somehow changes the thing itself,
so when Pluto is not called a planet anymore is has physically become something else.
I call it verbal voodoo. In the same way manipulating a voodoo doll will change the person represented,
playing games with words will affect the reality the words describe.
Thanks, Brain.
I tried to come up with a comparison that underlines that only the definition, not reality, has changed.
Mister_Spak, thank you for your answer. I still have trouble understanding this coadie, but your concept of verbal voodoo (very nice, I'll try to incooperate this into my own world view, to get a better understanding of those guys) cleared things up a bit, although I don't know where it might come from.
It is because those fundy people live in a metaphysical world, where nothing is quite what it seems and reality might soon be subject of a radical change in the second coming? Or because their understanding of the world is based on the word like what their pastor or the bible tells them, and not on words that describe certain parts of reality which they might double check? Well, if you believe in god, I guess you have to rely on verbal voodoo, then.
But still, a person like coadie just baffles me.
Klaus:
" I don't know where it might come from."
I'm thinking it may come from their emotional makeup.
They seem to have an exsessing emotional response to certain things.
If they grew up experiencing these responses,
they may not have the ability to distinguish between
their emotional response to things and the things themselves.
As they learn to talk, words also cause extreme emotional reactions.
They confuse these emotional experiences with the reality labelled by the words.
They also don't understand other people don't experience words this way. They assume
others are reacting to some powerful emotion that they are, though perhaps not the some one.
Science admits another lie.
Sigh. Alright, which "lie" is it this time?
It's official -- Pluto is no longer a planet.
Oh, fuck! THIS??! *points* *laughs*
Must have been a lie
No, must have been that scientists officially decided on a definition for "planet."
There were only 8 planets.
No. There are hundreds of thousands of objects floating in the rough vicinity of the star that Earth orbits. Scientists called 9 of these objects "planets." Now they call 8 of them "planets."
To science, a vote done by peers determines truth.
No, to science a vote done by peers determines what syllables will be used to describe a particular object, event, or tendency; or in this case, what objects the syllable pair "planet" will refer to. There is no change anywhere in the greater Sol area, and scientists are not saying anything new. They have merely decided to change what name to use when referring to one particular rock.
How many years before we go to 7 planets?
Wait do you really think that Pluto disappeared when scientists decided not to call it a planet anymore? Or do you believe that Pluto never existed, and that scientists "admitted" that the existence of Pluto itself was a lie when they decided not to call it a planet?
Good newspaper story from AP
...The point of which clearly flew over your head.
Evolution science is the higher authority to which all science appeals.
check SOURCE
if SOURCE=ASS
IGNORE
if SOURCE=UNRELIABLE
WRITE "Your source is unreliable."
RUN subscript {unreliable_source}
if SOURCE=RELIABLE
AGREE
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All of you that claimed Pluto was a planet, have mislead us.
How?
Scientists discover 7 other bodies orbitting the Sun along with the Earth. They call them "planets," and say "There are 8 planets." As optical technology improves and better telescopes are developed, they discover a ninth, smaller body. They call it a "planet" too and say, "Hey, we found a ninth planet that we couldn't see before! Actually there are nine planets!" They name this new one "Pluto." As technology improves even more, they discover many other such bodies, some of which are larger than Pluto. They wonder: "Should we call all of these "planets," or should we use different words for some of them?" They decide it would be better to use different words, rather than call them all "planets." Of course, they must then decide: "Which bodies should we call "planets?" Should we call Pluto and several other bodies "planets" and use different words for the others? Or should we use the word "planet" to refer only to Mercury through Neptune and use a different word for the other bodies? We could call Pluto a "planet" and use a different word for all the other bodies, but that seems a bit silly, since there are other bodies bigger than Pluto."
They chose Option #2. It's not misleading; it's only confusing to people with less than 45% of a brain.
Change the textbooks.
Yes, the textbooks have to be changed. Changing textbooks is a pain, but most people would rather change textbooks occasionally than stagnate and never discover anything new.
This is not a lie, this is a reclassification, and should be, at worst, considered admitting an error.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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