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ruotsher #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

The reason God had the people killed, men, women and children....including their animals, was because they were nephilim contaminated.....hybrids. Their bloodline had to end........but actually not all of them were killed. Some escaped...........

God was completely justified in having this done.

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Metacrock #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

where do you want the gun battle?

you are gonna have to kill me. I wont go to an intuition and I wont give up God and I will continue to tell people about him. so you can just prove what you are.

you have these words about "freedom" you don't' believe in freedom. you want to put Christians in camps and that will happen. in my life that will happen. You will be right there cheering as we are murders in ovens.

becasue you have lie to yourself and tell yourself you are for freedom what you really mean by freedom is the omniscience do as you wish will taking revenge on those who disagree with your selfishness.


atheists are nazis and fascists. they do not understand the concepts of freedom or justice or fairness. atheist are not capable of being fair. look at the atheist use of the term "delusion"
you read that thread you see clearly they mean to say they want us in institutions. they can deny it by claiming they just use the word innocently, that is nto an innocent word. you say some one is delusional there's no way to soften taht. that's a serious charge.

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Taureaux bleus #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

One of the major reasons I do not find it necessary to justify the actions of God in front of especially atheists, they are so full of themselves , the aroma of their pride actually suffocates you when they just scoff at the reasons given... I feel I can vomit...

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Hanger18 #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Homosexuals claiming to be a GLBT Christians are actually Christphobics

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Homosexuals claiming to be a Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, or Transgender Christians are not Christians. They are Chnristphobics and Biblephobics.
They are afraid of the true Jesus and hate His word. They do not want to accept what the true Jesus and His word says about them---that they are going to Hell.
Therefore from now on I will refer to a person claiming to be either a GLBT Christians as a Christphobic or Biblephobic or both.
I say this in the love of the Lord and call out to them to repent and be saved.

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drkildare #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

[Yucatan penninsula impact site. Chixulub crater. Positively identified in the mid 1990s

Not "believed" so much as "accepted"

Why?]

The Bible says it only took a week, so I'm not arguing.

That must be some crater over Yucatan way. Wonder why it doesn't cover half of Mexico. Apart from the fact that all the dinosaurs didn't live in Mexico.

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drkildare #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Suppose: The earth is 4600 million years old.
Suppose: 4600 million years ago the earth was a fireball. Burning from the center outwards.


Fact: That fire is still burning on the inside, and the surface of the earth is only occasionally affected by sporadic volcanic activity.

Question: If that fire started 4600 million years ago, why is it not already extinguished? I mean 4600 million years is an awful long time. Would the earth have a sufficient amount of combustion potential after that amount of time?

If it doesn't then this goes some of the way in answering the challenge made to me - to prove a young earth by scientific means.

Let's go for it on this one.

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drkildare #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Let me clarify.

The Bible says that the Africans came from Babylon. That is why I believe it. Also because human history proves it. But when I say human history, I don't mean any period when people were not people, because no such time existed.

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Moshi #conspiracy christiandiscussionforums.org

The critical event that will mark the absolute timing of Armageddon is the destruction of Babylon the Great by the UN. Babylon the Great are the secret societies that run the world through money, including Wall Street and the Federal Reserve. So when the Federal Reserve is outlawed by the UN along with the IMF and the CIA, which is controlled by the Illuminati, then it will be 1 year and 3 months to Armageddon. Already there are protestors out there calling to "end the Fed." Just look on Youtube. That does not get into the mainstream media much. Ron Paul is associated with that movement. So if they end the fed, confiscate all its money, basically blame them for this economic crisis, then Armageddon will come within a year and 3 months. The governements will all join the UN as the final authority in the world to control global financing. That is already on the agenda of the Prime Minister of England! They are pushing for a new world authority to coordinate a global economic recovery. What choice do they have? The US will go along with it because it is totally bankrupt now, thanks to Obama! Money is everything. We are more terrorized by the economic collapse than local terrorists.

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Moshi #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Once God does show up and prove he is real, it will be an angel with a sword in his hand chopping off heads. For those on record who doubted, I suppose the angel will walk to to them and say, "See? Touch me, feel me. I'm real. God's real. Can you unbutton your shirt just a bit?"

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supersport #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

yup....they ('Evolutionists') debate in groups and packs. They're like wolves. If you single them out individually they're weak, and their theory gets exposed -- but their strength comes in numbers. The more numbers they have the louder their bark becomes and the more intimidating they are -- or they think they are. It's a philosophy that goes back to their theory itself -- ToE is a theory of populations -- the strength is in the population, not in the individuals. Evos are never high on individual creativity or on giving people the right to think for themselves, or on self-reliance. That's why most of them are against capitalism and freedom of speech. This is why most of them are anti-american libs....they favor a strong government, not strong and free individuals. So here on Carm, they've formed their own "government" of sorts and use it to snuff out those who don't tote the party line.

[Wow, it's not a conspiracy.]

no...no conspiracy....it's just like if you have a class full of dunces -- they're all stupid -- they all think the same way; no conspiracy. Same here -- except you're not dumb; you're atheists...and you all think the same way. Not only that, but you never contradict or question each other. You never talk out any details about the theory or about how each person feels specifically.....it's all very shallow....it's all about being on the same team with your comrads -- it's all about hating creationists/Christians and beating us with a stick.

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supersport #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

[I've been on DOZENS of digs all throughout Colorado, Wyoming. Why haven't I found humans with dinosaurs?]

because humans didn't shack up with dinos...humans in the past probably got as far away from dinos as possible. You probably won't find humans near fossil lions either. It only makes sense that you'd get far away from creatures that might want to eat or hurt you.

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Carico #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

People in the ancient word didn't have the same words we have today. they didn't know what lava was except that it was different than ash. In fact, it contains sulphur and it solidifies objects and people as it did in Pompeii.

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Carico #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

[I wonder if the apes in the zoo can tell the difference between stars and planets?
They can't read so I suppose they have an excuse but any literate human has NO excuse for being equally ignorant.]

Since you have no valid arguments to any of the discussions, all you can do is try to find something that you can criticize me for. And you've zeroed in on dinosaurs, planets and stars because you believe everything scientists say just like a robot. So I guess you'll have to find out when you die that the difference between planets and stars is so inconsequential and minute, it's not even worth arguing about.

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Carico #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Then you need to retake Biology 101 to see which biological mechanisms in the brain cause cognition and behavioral motivations. I can tell you one thing, most humans can't even build a bridge because they don't have the ability to calculate the math to be able to do so. So you need to get educated before you make absurd statements like that.

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johnjohn #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

"Not natural"(inconsistent with or against the natural order of things) is indeed an argument. The best argument imo, because permitting gay marriage is essentially equalizing heterosexuality with homosexuality - and it doesn't take a scholar to see that the two are not equal.

[Not the best argument because we actually see homosexuality in nature. Ta da!]

There's a lot of unnatural things that occur in nature, hence the existence of the words "unnatural" and "abnormal" or even "freak" or "anomaly", and the list continues.... so what?

[It's the line "There's a lot of unnatural things that occur in nature" that gets me.]

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Carico #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

[And one of those presuppositions in science is that there are natural explanations for natural processes. This assumption is what makes science work because you could never factor in the effect of God into any system, formula, equation or theory.]

As I said, one can find something in reality to justify any fiction story such as evidence of; aliens, men from Mars, non-human animals turning into humans, just like Star Wars used rocket ships and computer technology. But that still doesn't make them any less fiction.

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Carico #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

[Chimps do "vocalize" to communicate, and can do sign language - even teaching others. They are altruistic. Koko the gorilla likes to paint.

Just degree...

Good Luck!]

Then it shouldn't be any stretch of the imagination to believe in talking donkeys or talking snakes. After all, evolutionists claim that that there are billions of talking apes.

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Carico #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

God repeatedly told the Jews to listen to Him. They didn't. So he punished them. They still didn't listen. So then he said He would punish their children and they still didn't listen. So anyone who risks the lives of his children to ignore God isn't showing any love to his children by doing so. You would be wise to heed that as well because God won't allow people to desecrate His laws and His creation without consequences. Sorry.<winking smiley.>

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Carico #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

[Dear Carm.org, when I read your beliefs earlier, I noticed that you do not believe that women should preach. There were several scriptures listed as support, but I have support as well why women can be able to preach. Acts 2:17-18, Accts 10:34, and Galatians 3:20 all give women the right to preach the gospel. Wouldn't you agree? Does anyone else agree with me or not? I have a woman pastor and I have been in the same church since I was approximately 2 years old. Are you saying that I have been under false teaching all of my church-going life? If not false teaching, then what kind of teaching am I under other than the Word of God?]

No, because scripture doesn't contradict itself. Prophesying is not teaching. Actually, several people told me they thought I have the gift of prophesy, God forbid. Prophesy is simply speaking the word of God. Teaching presumes authority over those you teach. And scripture is quite clear that women should have no authority over men.

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Carico #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

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Have any animals been observed to change at all since there HAVE been observers?]

Not a one. Evolutionists just look at an animal they've never seen before and imagine that he came from another animal! And that imagining is what they call evidence!

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Carico #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Sorry but truth never changes.

Sorry, but viruses don't mate and breed together. So flu vaccines aren't based on transferring genes via copulation as animals and humans breed offspring. so it's not evolution that leads scientists to invent vaccines. It's understanding how viruses react to outside stimuli.

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Carico #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

[]...It's funny how apes stopped turning into humans at the beginning of recorded history when witnesses came on the scene. Quite a coincidence, don't you think? Or maybe the apes simply got tired of turning into humans so they quit.

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Carico #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

[If you actually read up on history you will find that Einstein was actually a very humble person who knew that he didn't know everything. How do you know he is hell? Did God send you a personal message? How do you know he didn't make it to Heaven because he had it right and you have it wrong?]

Read a biography of Einstein to see that he was working on a paper that explains everything, which he understandably never finished. Anyone who claims to know better than God does has delusions of grandeur. And scientists who reject the bible to claim that they're right and Jesus is wrong, not only have delusions of grandeur, but they look incredibly foolish as well as their changing theories prove.

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Shephatiah #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Belief can change reality. If you believe God can physically heal your body then He can work and do so, but if you do not believe then you will never be healed. Case in point, walking on water. We know that reality dictates that no one can walk on water unless he defies a few laws of nature, yet we know that Jesus walked on water and Peter did also.

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emitchell #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

If I were to go to some hospital and found some person on life support and unplugged it, because they were inconvenienceing me, would that be murder? What if they woke up but still had an air tube down there throat and I took a pair of scissors and shoved it into the back of the head and sucked their brains out, would that be murder?

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supersport #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

this is just another example of how today's medicine is misguided. Instead of declaring "war" on everything ("war" on cancer, war on diabetes: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...845911,00.html etc) and attempting annihilate disease, the way to treat disease and to overcome it is by doing the exact opposite of declaring war. Just as Jesus defeated his enemies by loving them, the trick to beating cancer, and now bacteria, evidently, is by using the powers of the universe. Love and light and mind and water and spirit are surely the most powerful healers in the universe. Drugs can only get in the way of these. True health does not come from a lack of drugs, but from a lack of energy.

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Florabamaboy #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Expelled was excellent. It was the top documentary in the U.S. for 2008. It documents the willingness of Darwinists to destroy the careers of brilliant people -- many of them evolutionists -- for not adhering to the party line. The premise is hard to argue with since it is often evolutionists who have been destroyed by the Darwin establishment.

The top Darwinists interviewed in the flim come off sounding stupid -- for instance Richard Dawkins says that we might some day find that DNA came from aliens -- and the people who have been destroyed by Darwinists come off sounding intelligent and reasonable.

My one quibble was that I thought it tried a little too hard to be cute and fast paced by splicing bits of illustrative imagery between points Ben Stein and the interviewees made. Most of these clips were from the early days of movies.

This gave the DarwiNazis an excuse to call the film propaganda when the premise of the flim stands without the insertion of the illustrative imagery -- it just would not have been as entertaining to watch and probably wouldn't have done as well as it has.

A follow up book called Slaughter of the Dissidents by Jerry Bergman continues the account of those destroyed by the DarwiNazis for daring to think outside the party line. I'm looking forward to reading it and hoping we'll see Expelled II -- Revenge of Intelligence.

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Sephatiah #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

**NEWSFLASH ]] Fish comes out of water: FISH DIES!!**
1) Walking Catfish-The "walking skill" is used to move to other sources of water.
Fish out of water. Fish dies.
Creation 1 ------------------------Evolution 0

2) Lungfish- There has been a Queensland lungfish at the Shedd Aquarium in Chicago since 1933. How did it get their? Did it "walk"? And why is it still in the water?
Fish out of water. Fish dies.
Creation 2------------------------Evolution 0

3) Mudskippers- Mudskippers can breathe through their skin and the lining of their mouth, but they must be wet.
Fish out of water. Fish dies.
Creation 3------------------------Evolution 0
4) Gar Fish -I have seen a garfish die out of the water with my own eyes. <<(observation)
Fish out of water. Fish dies.
Creation 4------------------------Evolution 0

Do the evolutionists have any more fish? Go fish.

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Scarlets79 #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Why evolution is appealing
For individuals addicted to sin, slaves to the power of sin and do not wish for this to change- evolution is music to their ears. No Holy and Righteous creator God to have an appointment with one day. Man make the rules not God make the rules. They want to be left alone to carry on sinning because they say no such thing as sin everything is a product of evolution so there's no right or wrong- blame evolution. So for those engaging in sexual immorality- evolution is music to their ears. For those who disrespect their parents, who steal, who don't want to go to Church, who don't want to give to others- evolution is music to their ears. Evolution demands no repentance, instead if provides a justification tool for any kind of behaviour one engages in.

For addicted sinners, evolution is music to their ears.

Unfortunately for them, it's not truth. They will be accountable to God and evolution excuse won't wash.

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mnh2992 #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

[When asking why the creation gods of other religions were false.]

How do you know what they found? IF they found a creator god, it is false. Do you not think it is logical to question one's beliefs in order to prove their validity. If I tell you the sky is green, will you take my word for it or will you go look for yourself? One must test his or her beliefs.
What evidence did they have for their God? They did not/ would not have any.

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supersport #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

it's probably an epigenetic disease just like homosexuality.....it will probably become more and more widespread as more and more people continue to eat junk/fried/fatty/milk-laden/high-carb/sweet foods in place of fruits and vegetables. There is no "gay gene" or "pedophilia gene."Homosexuality and pedophilia are surely both mental diseases stemming from prior generations, but they are actually derived from the effects of bad/unhealthy diets on developing embryos. Also involved, most surely, is prior abuse -- abused children are more likely to abuse their children or others'. Screwed-up children generally lead to screwed up adults unless there is some powerful supernatural intervention.

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Supersport #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

One word represents the last century of science: LIES.

And what's hilarious about all this is the evos on this forum are still pushing the ridiculous, unseen, never-verified or validated biological mechanism that would be represented in the fossil data and confirm Darwin's tree. In otherwords, they're pushing a mechanism that the fossil record does not reflect! It's hilarious...these people are delusional.

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killerangel #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

the thing that I am trying to say is that atheists say they will only accept physical evidence for proof of anything. But here in the case of these detectives we have people who are experts at collecting, processing interpreting and using physical evidence to prove things yet they believe in God.
These peoples are the best of the best when it comes to using physical evidence to prove a case. They are the experts.
Atheists on this board claim to have a monopoly on data analysis. Yet these detectives are experts on collecting and analyzing data, we rely on thier expertise to keep criminals off the streets and keep society safe but they believe in God, They pray to God, I've seen them do it on the show.
These people have a belief in something that they do not have any physical evidence for, yet they prove that they are competent at their jobs by using physical evidence, logic, and data to solve murders and bring criminals to justice.

What's up with that?
There must be something else besides physical evidence that gives these people faith, something more than physical evidence that convinces them that there is a God. And since these people are experts at collecting physical evidence and using that evidence then their testimonies I would really like to hear.

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Anabelle #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Darn right evilutionits dont like my company because what do I have to do with their darkness? NOTHING, I am light and beauty and goodness.

[You what?? Please, get over yourself.]

I am totally in love with myself and you can't take that away from me. Wow there is a quote for you or some other evo to carry around. Save it forever cause I wont be putting up with this carp for long.

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supersport #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Well, with a hologram, everything that happens within one area of a hologram affects other parts of the hologram.....there is thus a "non-locality" there. Within a hologram, all of the tiny parts, though part of the whole, actually have the whole in them. as far as DNA goes, information creates fractals -- waves of potential....your dna is actually a destabilized system, ready to move, all-for-one, one-for-all....with destablization within the genome, there is a capability self-organization upon shifts in consciousness, which can create complexity out of chaos....You can read more about DNA and holograms here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ-D5JJzYe0

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1TrueDisciple #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

"We should just take the word of the Christian should we?"

Personally, I don't care if you believe. I know that you hate the very idea of Jesus, which would place you among the ones Paul refers to as possessing a "reprobate mind" in Romans 1:28.

One day you will find out just how wrong you are, and I look forward to being there and witnessing the event when ALL Christ haters will bow down and worship Him.

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Scarlets79 #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Why do evolutionists trust their own minds?

When creationists point out the glory of God's design haven't you heard them pick and choose examples of what they consider "bad design". But as they believe no God and believe in evolution this would show that evolution produces bad design. That could include their own brain which could be very flawed and require mutations to improve until it is adequate to comment on how it got there.

So, I don't see how evolutionists can trust their own minds or seriously convince anybody else that anyone else can trust their own minds or indeed if they themselves have adequate minds to make such a decision.

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scarlets79 #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Atheists won't win. You are fighting a war that you will lose. Bus adverts, atheist bibles, lying about Christianity, taking God out of public life, promoting just about everything the Bible forbids, taking sides with Islam when it suits you to attack Christianity, invoking Zeus Father Christmas fairies etc. none of it is going to work.

You will not win. You will lose. Big time. The reason is simple- you are fighting against God. So, you will lose. Even a simpleton understands that.

If God didn't exist it wouldn't be such a struggle for you, would it. Everyone would be atheists. We're not.

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Anabelle #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Evilutionists

Generally, society is getting less and less moral and people are more and more neurotic and unfeeling. This has happened ever since the spread of misinformation from evilutionists. Evilutionists differ from evolutionists because they believe in evolution and all their polititical ideologies from the standpoint of their own neurotic needs to stamp out all goodness, grace, and love from the world.

Evilutionists are the first to be able to commit horrible acts such as what people have witnessed in history.

Hitler was the prime example of the evilutionist. He was liberal (socialist), believed in darwinism as a political ideology.

I want nothing to do with evilutionists but they cram up message boards. I wish they would all just go away but until then we have to acknowledge them for who and what they are, evilutionists, and hope that more people will come in and write about who and what they are and have become-worse than apes and animals, and what they have done to our society.

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Anabelle #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Evolution is a tool that the Academic Cartel uses to further hurt the esteem of students.

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Students converted to accepting they are apes and animals, start resorting to lack of control and other animal behavior.

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supersport #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

They [Homo neanderthalensis] are identical [to Homo s. sapiens] in as much as Chinese are "identical" to Africans or Dutch. We are all the human kind. If you evos were intellectually honest you'd admit that according to your theory, different races of people should be classed as different "species" of humans....(just as different varieties of bears, polar, brown, black,..etc...are different species of bear.) But of course you evos are scared of political incorrectness, not to mentioned scared of being labled racists, so when it comes to humans, you drop the labels, play dumb, and hope nobody notices. I notice. And it is perfectly clear that ToE is a racist theory at its core.....scientists have long called black people monkeys. shame.

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fred1 #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

No fault divorce has been a disaster. If a couple wants to divorce, blame should be assigned to one or both parties for departing their Biblical role as husband and/or wife, and sanction applied to the guilty party. If wrongdoing cannot be done, no divorce should be allowed. No more divorce because "we made a mistake and were young" or "we've fallen out of love."

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Scarlets79 #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Evolutionists not being rational
Evolutionists like to argue that Darwin has raised their consciousness, they claim they now know better than the "superstition" of God's 6-day creation. They consider themselves more intelligent & have better critical thinking skills as a result, and that this is advantageous for them, and also think that people would be better off rejecting Genesis and accepting evolution.

Well, if people were better off in life rejecting Genesis and accepting Evolution... then evolutionists would currently be at an advantage in the world. We have to wonder why they would want to actively diminish their advantage by promoting evolutionism to others as this would reduce their survival- that's not rational. Their whole evolution doctrine is about advantageous attributes surviving, whilst those without those attributes would suffer and eventually die away. And, that as this is just nature at work it would not require intelligent intervention. But by actively promoting and seeking to impose the teaching of evolutionism in schools etc. the evolutionists are making interventions in nature.

So, by the evolutionists aggressively promoting evolutionism they're not acting rationally according to what they're promoting.

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Lightwave #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Oh, I do believe scientific facts. All of them.

I disagree with naturalistic interpretations of many facts.

But the facts are incontrovertible - any of us can observe and repeat
them in a lab.

Of course, evolution cannot be observed or repeated, but has been falsified many times

yet people still call it a 'fact' - which is very strange considering it doesn't even pass muster as a scientific theory.

There are lots of alternative explanations for the things we observe - naturalistic scientists simply pick the ones that agree with what they already believe.

Evoltion is a religion and the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on mankind.

So I disagree with religion in the public schools - it's pretty simple

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Metacrock #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Jesus was a real histircal figure, Zeus was not.

Jesus was the incorantion of the divine logos

Zeus as pastiche of the Indo-arian sky father and verious sub metaterranian chieftans.


Jesus is eternal, Zeus is contingent.


huge differences.

Jesus gave his life for the world, Zeus had sex with a lot of women and never did anything for anyone (except in late antiquity but that was under Christian influence).

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Hitch #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

The homosexuals and lesbians have gained considerable political and social momentum in America. They have "come out" as the term goes, left their closets, and are knocking on the doors of your homes. Through TV, Radio, Newspapers, and Magazines, they are preaching their doctrine of tolerance, equality, justice, and love. They do not want to be perceived as abnormal or dangerous. They want acceptance and they want you to welcome them with open, loving arms, approving of what they do.

In numerous states in America several bills have been introduced by the pro homosexual politicians to ensure that the practice of homosexuality is a right protected by law. Included in these bills are statements affecting employers, renters, and schools. Even churches would be required to hire a quota of homosexuals with "sensitivity" training courses to be "strongly urged" in various work places. There is even legislation that would make the state pick up the tab for the defense of homosexuality in lawsuits, while requiring the non homosexual side to pay out of his/her pocket.

The Christian church has not stood idle. When it has spoken out against this political immorality, the cry of "separation of church and state" is shouted at the "religious bigots." But when the homosexual community uses political power to control the church, no such cry of bigotry is heard. Political correctness says it is okay for the homosexual community to impose its will upon churches, but not the other way around. Apparently, it isn't politically correct to side with Christians. (...)

Finally, with their hardened hearts, they seek to promote their lifestyle in society. This is become more real since homosexuals are gaining strength and forcing those with opposing views into confinement and penalty. So much for fairness. It is okay to demand it for themselves, but they balk at allowing it for those who disagree.

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lightwave #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Gandhi beat three black men to death with his bare fists, on different occasions...

It's all true and more.

[Lightwave is bearing false witness a sin?]

It's all true and more.

Interestingly, when Indians come to our shores they are shocked at the reverence we hold for Gandhi, because they do not. Far from it.

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supersport #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

You know what may very well be the summit of human emotions for me? It's using my own God-given eyes and making an unschooled, (unbrainwashed) common sense observation of the world that gets laughed at on here because it flatly contradicts decades of established evo "science," only to then have my common sense observation validated by leading academics of the field. I knew virtually nothing about vision when I pronounced that science was being ridiculous for asserting that vision is something that's embedded within the dark confines of our brains. It only makes sense that vision is a two-way street, something that probably happens outside the body, that it's not just about light coming in, but also about light going out and how/when/where these lights meet to help create an image in the mind.

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fred1 #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

So how do we get the Palestinians to stop firing rockets and setting off bombs once and for all? What is their price? Lord knows Israel has tried through the years to offer it, and the answer is always more terror.

No, I've taken the hint. The Palestinians are beyond hope outside a miracle. Satan is too deeply set in their hearts, and all that remains is force. It truly is all they understand. Remember they legally elected Hamas. Terror is in their DNA.

Palestinians are the modern day Phillistines. Israel of old did not negotiate with them because no such possibility existed. Peace only came after King David physically subdued them. The Palestinians must be utterly dominated, disempowered, and devastated.

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Born Wisdom Allah #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Atheist? Where do your rights come from?

God is the head of this nation and I think this is tough for some atheist and secularist to grasp.

We get our God given rights from our Creator and the government is set up as a secondary appendage to protect those God given rights but the government gets it's power from the people and not the other way around.

I think this is why you see this split.

Many liberals, atheist and secularist don't believe in God so are rights come from the state. This means the government is almighty and they push for a nanny state.

Most Conservatives have a belief in God and they want less government and more individual control because they believe our individual rights come from our Creator and government is there to protect our rights.

The question is if your rights do not come from a Creator then where do your rights as an individual come from?

If there's no God, then you have no rights except those that other men want to give you.

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Oroci_Iori #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Tolerance is the furthest these schools promote. You get teachers and principals alike rattling out students whom openly state they don't condone homosexuality. What really occurs is the homosexual community silencing any whom oppose it. You say homosexuality is a sin or shameful and you're labeled bigoted and hateful.

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Metacrock #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

science is wrong. It's morally corrupted it's not good. Its' a lie. Science doesn't' work.


what about all those people science murdered with the atomic bomb?


when you can't expalin something you just say "O science will explain it some day."

science is nothing but a bunch of big pretense. you cant' prove your science, your science has no facts to suppor it.

How you come and show me your play facts that prove scinece and I'll show you how argument from incredulity works. OK>? I refuse to believe science not matter waht the evidence. and any evidence you give me I can make go away by being incredulous about it.

but now show me some evdience becasue there's no evidence for your science.


this is the basic argument I see being made all down the board. Just switch he names. Instead od sience you say historical evdience and logic support belief. but tis' the same argument. I refuse to believe regardless of how well it's proven.

Now I will demonstrate how your game works. I can fend off any scientific evidence you throw at me because I refuse to ever give it any kind of crediecne at all. as long as you refuse to give the other side a fair hearing you hold out this self righteous pretense that you have some mysterious truth that backs you for a long time.

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Born Wisdom Allah #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

God is the head of this nation and I think this is tough for some atheist and secularist to grasp.

We get our God given rights from our Creator and the government is set up as a secondary appendage to protect those God given rights but the government gets it's power from the people and not the other way around.

I think this is why you see this split.

Many liberals, atheist and secularist don't believe in God so are rights come from the state. This means the government is almighty and they push for a nanny state.

Most Conservatives have a belief in God and they want less government and more individual control because they believe our individual rights come from our Creator and government is there to protect our rights.

The question is if your rights do not come from a Creator then where do your rights as an individual come from?

If there's no God, then you have no rights except those that other men want to give you.

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Diane S #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

"The Three Myths
About Homosexuality


Myth #1

Homosexuality is normal and biologically determined.

The truth...

There is no scientific research indicating a biological or genetic cause for homosexuality. Biological factors may play a role in the predisposition to homosexuality. However, this is true of many other psychological conditions. Research suggests that social and psychological factors are strongly influential. Examples include problems in early family relationships, sexual seduction, and sense of inadequacy with same-sex peers, with resulting disturbance in gender identity. Society can also influence a sexually questioning youth when it encourages gay self-labeling.


Myth #2

Homosexuals cannot change, and if they try, they will suffer great emotional distress and become suicidal. Therefore, treatment to change homosexuality must be stopped.

The truth...
Psychotherapists around the world who treat homosexuals report that significant numbers of their clients have experienced substantial healing. Change has come through psychological therapy, spirituality, and ex-gay support groups. Whether leading married or committed celibate lives, many report that their homosexual feelings have diminished greatly, and do not trouble them as much as they had in the past.

The keys to change are desire, persistence, and a willingness to investigate the conscious and unconscious conflicts from which the condition originated. Change comes slowly, usually over several years. Clients learn how to meet their needs for same-sex nurturance and affirmation without eroticizing the relationship. As they grow into their heterosexual potential, men and women typically experience a deeper and fuller sense of themselves as male or female.

If some homosexuals do not wish to change, that is their choice, yet it is profoundly sad that gay-rights activists struggle against the right-to-treatment for other homosexuals who yearn for freedom from their attractions.


Myth #3
We must teach our children that homosexuality is as normal and healthy as heterosexuality. Teenagers should be encouraged to celebrate their same-sex attractions.
The truth...
Scientific research supports age-old cultural norms that homosexuality is not a healthy, natural alternative to heterosexuality. Research shows that gay teens are especially vulnerable to substance abuse and early, high-risk sexual behavior. It does far more harm than good to tell a teenager that his or her attractions toward members of the same sex are normal and desirable. Teens in this position need understanding and counseling, not a push in the direction of a potentially deadly lifestyle.
A 1992 study in Pediatrics found that 25.9% of 12-year-olds are uncertain if they are gay or straight. The teen years are critical to the question of self-labeling, so the facts must be presented in our schools in a fair and balanced manner."

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fred1 #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Signs of Christian Persecution

You can see it on this very forum. It's starting out slowly, but it's there. Right on this board I've seen posts where non-Christians are criticizing the hiring practices of religious organizations, church discipline of members living in sin, as well as criticism of Christian stands against homosexuality. A sticky on homosexuality at the top of the board this evening notes the introduction of bills into legislatures around the nation mandating quotas and sensitivity training.

I've been called paranoid when I've stated persecution of Christians is on its way, but you can see the seeds of the enemy's activities being reported and stated right here.

Get ready Christians. Soon it'll be time to pay any price. Give it time. With the election of Barak Obama and leftist gains in the Congress the forces of evil are energized. They see a window of opportunity to advance satan's agenda, and it is almost sure to end in official sanction and unofficial persecution of Christians as we refuse to compromise the Biblical positions.

Chrisitians who voted democrat, you bear a measure of responsibility for what's coming.

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Supersport #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

The story and history of cats is really quite fascinating. Some people may think cats evolved from dogs...but that's not really quite right. What actually happened was cats and dogs shared a common ancestor. Science calls this creature a "dat," as in, "what's dat?"

And then interestingly, when you go back in time even more, Dat evolved from an even earlier common ancestor, which evidently also split into pigs and cows and whales and bats and camels and apes eventually humans. This mystery creature was called "Blob." Now neither Dat nor Blob has been spotted in the fossil record as of yet, but none-the-less, he somehow split into all kinds of animals, one of which was cats.

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killerangel #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

("Personally this whole thing could have been solved by not letting any specific religious type symbols in a state capital.")

But then the anti-religious groups would have an outright monopoly on free speech and public expression. Because only religious groups would be banned from exhibiting their beliefs in public which is what Dan Barker's anti-Christians want. People will be fined for preaching the Gospel in public, but Dan Barker and his gang of Hipster Doofuses will be able to shout obscenities at Christians and it will be considered free speech.

There are places were the government is founded on atheistic principles and people are imprisoned and tortured for practicing their religion openly in public. This is what Dan Barker wants to happen in the United States.

If he and members of his gang had the political power that tyrants like Stalin and Hitler had they would do the same things they have done.

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supersport #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

The education system is nothing but a thought filter, a mind filter. They force minds to think in certain directions...and if the mind doesn't think in a certain way then it is turned away and/or deemed unsuccessful. The academia in this country is in the business of indoctrinating kids' minds at an early age...and they do this by withholding information and evidence that might otherwise shape their worldview in a way they don't like. As for those who slip through the cracks -- like you and me -- who question the orthodoxy, we are to be ridiculed and laughed at. If we decide to enter a field of science or medicine, we are not to be given jobs and/or we are publically embarrassed. Today's education system offers no room for dissenters. It's run much like a communist block country.

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Annabelle (aka. Am) #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Sadly, many in the world of academics don't get into the profession to help people but to cheat people. They rob people of their humanity, their ability to think for themselves, their ability to question, and the like.

Pink Floyd wrote a song about the psychopathic academia cartel. "We don't need no education" is the result of being educated by the psychopathic academic cartel, in defense to protect their own humanity. What human being would submit to one of these psychopaths? Sadly, some do, and become abusers and cheaters themselves, and joining that mafia against humanity's freedom.

How do you yourself defend against the adademia cartel and resist their psycopathy? Do you give in and say you don't need no education? The best way to go about it is to drop any dealings with them, as doing so allows them to prey upon your mind and soul. Educate yourself and practice respect for your own mind and learning, and don't give your mind and soul to anyone else.

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killerangel #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Atheist propaganda comes in many forms. Of course those who propagate atheist propaganda will never admit that they do it. They will even try and convince people that there is no atheist propaganda which is what the posters on this thread are trying to do but in doing this they are taking part in an atheist propaganda campaign. That's the nature of propaganda. It's often very subtle like the serpent was.

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supersport #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Schools could be teaching my kids about how to balance a checkbook or how to be wise with their money or how credit cards work or how to be a people person or how to have successful sales skills or the benefits of owning a home --- or the benefits of buying a car instead of leasing, ALL KINDS OF STUFF about real life --- but no....they teach them all about Martin Luther King and saving the rain forests and darwinian evoltuion and global warming -- all kinds of junk that will never do them a dime's bit of good. Most of it is just pure brain rot.

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Annabelle (aka. Am) #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

1) The only moment that exists is the now.

2) Since the only moment that exists is the now, previous moments don't exist.

3) The property of existence is occurance in the present tense.

4) The past never existed.

5) All we have are memories and relics of past moments.

6) Where there is not memory or documentation of past moments, these moments cannot be verified.

Evolution requires both memory and documentation of past moments to be claimed as fact. If you ask me, evolution is so full of holes that scientists have to make up information to fill in the holes. The validity and verification of past moments decreases the further back they go.

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supersport #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Hey -- I know what they could do in China.....since there's now a shortage of girls, all they have to do is start forcing those transexual operations on society and turning some of their unwanted/unneeded male population into "females." Just chop off the manhood, stick a wig on its head and call it a girl. All atheists see is the physical anyway...the atheist commies won't know the difference.....and the "good" news is it can't get pregnant.

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Vja4him #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

I am a Christian, zealous for my faith in Jesus Christ ... Actually, I would have no problem with a homosexual coming to my wedding, as long as they were respctful, and trying to force their ways on anyone, or molest anyone ....

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supersport #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

There are different kinds of terrorists. There are the terrorists who physically terrorize and destroy things and bodies, then there are mental terrorists, who destroy hearts, thoughts and minds. Atheists are mental terrorists...they have not only chosen to destroy their own their own heart and mind, but many of them treat their atheism as a religion and attempt to destroy others' hearts and minds. That's why so many atheists seek out Christians forums like this -- they're on an evangelical trip, a mission to destroy.

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PraiseChrist #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Christian Holidays - Why do atheists keep them?

I've never seen an atheist who's hesitated to give his kids Christmas presents or send them on easter egg hunts. They remind me of spoiled kids who will eat dessert, but not dinner.

("Funny, why do you send your kids on a pagan (my Bible doesn't mention the easter bunny) easter egg hunt?")

I don't. Please do not speak lies about me.

I would never allow my children to participate in anything involving the pagan atheistic aspects that satan has brought into the Easter holiday. I and they celebrate only Jesus' resurection and the forgiveness of our sins.

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Robert Byers #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

[in response to questions about the inconsistency of a young earth with the presence of many large craters]

Yes most crators are from after the fall. indeed probably due to a cosmic war between michael an satan as recorded in revealation.

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jma037 #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Malaria or TB or AIDs are God's punishment for the sins of man. Nothing happenes without the consent of God. For he is all knowing and all powerful. To find a cure against God is to say that God is wrong.

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supersport #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

[Given that most dinosaurs weren't giants, standing about as tall as a man or less, there would be good reasons to hunt them with spears. In fact, even with the giants, a hadrosaur would feed a village. Plenty good enough as a reason to hunt them with spears, bows or anything else.

So, why don't we see spear points in hadrosaurs?]

hadrosaurs aren't actually that small..(I don't think)....and even so, it would be much easier, I would guess, to kill mammals than it would be to kill a dinosaur -- better tasting too.

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supersport #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

ironic, so the scientific community thinks the earth started in hell, and then sometime in the future the earth will be swallowed up by the sun and so everything will essentially return to the same fiery hell that it emerged from. So we have two distinct stories: God says he is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end, yet the scientific community's "divine" plan is hell in the beginning and hell in the end...hell is the alpha and the omega.... Many of them, I fear, will get their wish.

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jma037 #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Small minded fools! I have seen and fought against things that will drive a lesser man insane should he lay eyes upon it. We are in a battle more horrifying then you could possibly imagine. Am are trying to save your souls! God help me for I do not have such patience for the damned. You are like children in a straw hut mocking the one that gazed outside the window to warn you of the wolves at your door!

Repent or be Damned for ever!

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Am #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Humans are made in the image of God, not animals. This (evolution) is the way of perverting mankind by first perverting the image that humans have of themselves. It also opens people up to spirit possession. The demon spirits just love animal worship, just look at history.

Evolution isn't science. As supersport points out, it just isn't. Microevolution is but there is no valid scientific reason to call humans animals. It is pure hocus pocus propaganda that the spirits use so they can posess humans.

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Dobie #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

[...your foundation is utterly without any evidence. You have no documentation or observation of either heaven or hell or god or the devil. A house built on sand will fall you know. Best build on actual rock.]

Just because YOU need the mioptic mindset even you cannot base FACTS on doesn't say a dam thing about God not being real.

Don't loath what you are so pridefully ignorant of and surely don't play smug with such a pseudo-intellect.

There are many events and such that are real and science cannot prove or disprove and let these things go as unexplained.

Science has learned in recent years that prayer is real and causes factual changes as evidence in the brain and body.
Many things are proven to be seen or known and yet no scientific basis as yet to prove.
Evolution is hardly more than a moronic theory and yet you duh student thinks ya got the facts.

Talk about blind faith!

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George Yurich #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Happy Thanksgiving to all the mentally deranged and psychotic atheists. May Our Lord Jesus Christ bring you to the knowledge that there is a God and that Jesus is God so that you mentally deranged and psychotic atheists will not spend eternity in Hell with your master Satan.

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George Yurich #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

I can guarantee you one thing and that is that you are not teaching the Ten Commandments in the public school because the Ten Commandments are prohibited from being taught in the public school system. If you are not teaching the Ten Commandments then you are not teaching any morality at all since the Ten Commandments are the only type of morality.

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supersport #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

ok...well after helping with science homework tonight, the animated topic of evolution has come up in the SS household. My kids are quite interested in this and find it fascinating that you people believe you evolved from apes...and even moreso, in fact, that you are apes. You should see their looks of disbelief......They are truly concerned and think something must be wrong with you.

I have been told to ask you guys a question or two...please keep in mind that this is their question and your reply is to be directed towards them. Please keep in mind their ages of 13 and 11, and they know virtually nothing about science or evolution....so please keep it nice and age-appropriate. They are excited to see your replies and going to be checking in...not only that but they are going to be responding. Please be aware that my kids have been forewarned that some on here will call me names and/or try to insult me in a variety of ways...so if that feels good to you, go ahead, we're all ok with it....but they do ask that the questions be answered.

Also, all answers on behalf of my name in this thread will be answered by them, unless otherwise indicated.

So the questions are:

Kylie

"If creatures evolved from worms or other primitive animals, then why are there still worms today?"

Katie

"Evolutionists say that humans are apes...so if that is the case why are our mental capabilities so much better than apes, and also, when can we expect apes to start talking?"

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Nancy #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

I think this is all ridiculous. All you have to do is look up a Gay Pride parade. It's just promoting their sexual preference and the men all wear dresses and pretty much are mocking females. They are misogynist pigs. How can anyone take them at all serious when you see the "pride" parades. It is so bizarre, it's like one big freak show. And they are loving all the porn exhibitions. Sick. I would show one on here but I'd be banned. It's x rated right in the middle of NYC where children are around. What filth. Marriage? You gotta be kidding. These people want to be monogomous? Whatever.

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supersport #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Oh! It just hit me. The reason why we never hear about plant evolution is because plants don't have sexual intercourse...well, at least not in the way evolutionists like to envision it. See, evos are obsessed with sex, especially if it's forced sex or if it's between two different types of animals, like chimps and humans. But since plants don't do any of that, then they're just simply less sexy of a topic. Science only gets interested when animals have harems or multiple partners, or -- of course -- if they're's any homosexual activity going on...that as well gets them real excited. I suppose the ultimate zenith for science would be evidence of homosexual activity between a Neanderthal and a chimp.

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Mirage5 #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Do you think it is a sin to intentionally look at a picture of a woman on a website? Ok, my example is... I'm looking at Yahoo sports and there is a picture of what I know is probably an attractive woman below in the picture photos. This one happens to be a Golf picture. I click on the picture and I see the picture, but I keep looking at more and more to see more. Ok, I'm pretty sure looking at the first picture probably isn't particularly wrong, but when you continue to look at additional ones, is that sinning? What sin would that be considered? Is it lust? I don't think so because I don't have any sexual desire for the woman, I just like looking because she's attractive. What would it be?

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Diane Sellner #fundie christiandiscussionforums.org

Read my lips.

He is a demon from the pit of hell, serving satan, a marxist, socialist baby killer and I would die before I would ever respect a baby killer.

How much more do I have to say to make it clear. I believe the man could be the antiChrist...........I do not respect will never respect a man that would vote for partial birth abortion or leaving a baby to die...

I will go a step further, I have NO respect for any person voting for him, even if it were my own mother voting for him......