1)Logic exist
2)Logic is absolute
3)Logic can't exist without a mind. (hence they are conceptual)
4) Logic transcends space and time.
Since logic is absolute, trascends space and time, and can't exist without a mind, therefore there must be an absolute, mind that exist and transcends space and time.
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1 and 3 are mostly correct. Logic is the patterns (and study of) involved in reasoning, as I recall. Thus logic indeed requires minds to form it. That's logic; not the facts and hard evidence we may use in its practice. Those would be there even if we weren't, but non-existant folk don't give a flying fuck about much, I'd wager.
Try again.
...or, maybe, just maybe...
"Now it is such a bizarrely impossible coincidence that anything so mind-bogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof of the nonexistence of God. The arguement goes something like this:
"But," say Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED."
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't though of that" and promply vanishes in a puff of logic."
--The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
I live by syllogisms: God is love. Love is blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God. I don't know what I'd believe in if it wasn't for that.
Well, boolian math is logic, right?
Statements 1, 2, and 4 are at least partially correct. However, statement 3 is a complete non-sequitur, and thus, your conclusion is also a non-sequitur.
Exists is only a meaningful term when describing something that could also not exists, or better yet, did not exists at some point. So are you saying that logic falls to one of those categories? You should probably start your proof by demonstrating that it is possible for logic not to exists or that logic began to exists at some point. Otherwise this is just another PRATT.
We have ways of passing logic down to different minds, so you don't just need a single mind. One way, we call "reading a book". And, mirabile dictu, we have more than one book. . .
In what way is logic absolute? People, equally well-educated, can take logic to different conclusions with the same facts.
The idea of logic can't exist without a mind, yes. But if all humans, other primates, dolphins, dogs and other relatively intelligent animals went extinct, logic would still carry on. There would be no-one to take notice, but A+B equal C would still happen.
Minds don't transcend space and time. Minds are (as far as we know) stuck on this planet, in the here and now.
Since logic is neither absolute, nor transcends space and time, nor needs a mind to be, there is no need for an absolute (with or without redundant comma) mind that transcends space and time.
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