(in response to this quote)

@(the submitter)

I guess it depends what your moral framework is. I don't particularly care about being nice to people, I care about civilised nations being developed. Trying to raise up natives to be civilised is an incredibly slow process that's still not borne very great results to this day, in comparison to wiping them out and replacing them with Europeans, such as with Australia which is a highly successful modern country.

How very civilised of you...

You are not the saviours of the West. You are not the last champions of the Occident. You are the barbarian throwbacks trying to bring down Civilisation from within.

Compassion for the undeserving isn't what created the modern world, it's a decadent excess in its decline. The people who created modernity were by your standard 'barbaric' in their attitudes, which is why your standard is absurd.

Compassion isn't civilisation.

Australia is being nice to the remaining aboriginals, and the results are unimpressive. Meanwhile the colonists, who were originally criminals, are very civilised.

@(me)

Compassion for the undeserving isn't what created the modern world, it's a decadent excess in its decline.

Spoken like one indeed undeserving of compassion.

Our civilisation is neither decadent and decline. It's just that much of society has become complacent to your ilk.

The people who created modernity were by your standard 'barbaric' in their attitudes, which is why your standard is absurd.

They were still ahead of their times, and you would have hated them if they lived back then. Meanwhilel, your ideologies are quite literally the very antithesis of modernity, only exploiting and superficially supporting whatever seems useful for your vile goals and/or your ego.

The way I see it, economic and technological progress was the real progress, and changes to social values were usually a superficial thing that followed the 'real' progress, and have currently gone too far. Only in a few cases like the Reformation would I say that a moral change actually aided technological and economic advancement.

That's some funny trashtalking from both of us.

I like to only partly ironically talk about how I wish Thomas Paine had been executed for treason, and how it's a tragedy that Emperor Julian's attempted restoration of paganism against insurgent Christianity fizzled. So 'you would have hated them if they lived back then' is totally right.