[in a thread about geocentrism]
No offense intended here sj, but I find it curious that you can go though a long post in an attempt to refute one verse and yet swallow a moving Earth theory without a second thought. Are you aware that the only way either model can be conclusively proven is by an observer outside of the Universe?
Evolution was able to get its foot in the door because of a general acceptance of the heliocentric model.
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Politics aside, it never ceases to amaze me that there are actually people that can draw breath and still think the universe revolves around the earth. I mean, how mind-numbingly ignorant do you have to be? It just goes to show that some people will reject that which has been proven and accept a not very well told fairy tale because they don't think their life will have meaning otherwise.
Hm. Actually, I wonder if there isn't a sliver of a point there. The reason Darwin's theory was such a Big Deal (tm) was that it allowed humans to have appeared by natural means, without any god's intervention.
The whole deal with geocentricity showed that the church could be flat-out wrong, and that contributed to the Enlightenment. Thanks to Copernicus and Galileo, we can make the argument that the church was wrong about the place of the Earth, so perhaps it's wrong about Adam and Eve as well. Without them, evolution might've been a somewhat harder sell.
<<< Are you aware that the only way either model can be conclusively proven is by an observer outside of the Universe? >>>
How about the fact that the observed motion of the planets with respect to Earth cannot be reconciled with Kepler's Laws if the Earth is stationary?
<<< Evolution was able to get its foot in the door because of a general acceptance of the heliocentric model. >>>
No, both were successful because of a little thing we like to call the scientific method.
This is the type of circular logic fundamentalist believers in the inerrancy of the Scriptures have to follow.
If the Earth is revolving around the sun, that means that the Scriptures were wrong about Earth having been created fixed and immovable.
And if evolution is true than the Scriptures were wrong about Adam and Eve, which means there was no original sin, which means there was no need for Jesus to die on the cross to redeem us, which means it's all a big load of shit.
That's why they keep shutting their brains off.
On the second page of that thread some links to geocentricity are provided. You can click through a few of them since they all point to off site info. You should look at their Tychonian model of the solar system. It basically comes down to it that the earth is standing still and the rest of the universe spinns around it in very compicated ways, mimicking what actually happens in reality. Crazy stuff.
<<< "To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin."
- Cardinal Bellarmine >>>
Well, he was right. Neither is errnoeous at all.
Dumb luck, I guess.
Actually, geocentrism is a lot more palatable to me than creationism. It's perfectly valid, physically, to look at the universe as moving around a fixed Earth, it just makes the math all wonky, as the laws of physics no longer hold true with that as an absolute reference frame. I'll stick with scientific understanding based on two gravitating bodies being mutually attracted, but if someone prefers geocentrism, whatever, it's not necessarily absolutely incorrect. Unlike creationists, who are, in fact, just plain wrong.
NonHomogenized - but assuming something astronomically insignificant is the centre of everything, is as misguided and erroneous as assuming man was the purpose of Creation or that an all powerful being would even give a shit about disobedient monkeys.
And it's so blindingly obvious that it's not the case. Even if the sun relatively appears to orbit the Earth if you fuck with the frames of reference, every other planet in the solar system orbits the Sun - pointless, unjustifiable exceptions do not make good mathematical formula.
If things billions of miles away are affected by the sun and not at all by us, it'd absolutely retarded to assume the thing that affects all these other things must be affected by us. It's basic translation.
Well Lying for God, exactly what door is this? The door of 'Truth'? The door of 'God was invented by a pack of ignorant goat fuckers'?
If you were outside the universe, you wouldn't be able to tell as you would be outside the space time continuum and I'm fairly certain you're talking about a visual approximation, yet the really stupid thing is, if you were hanging in space, but moving at the same speed as the Earth, in much the same way you are moving at approximately the same speed as the Earth now, you still couldn't tell and you'd be having the same problem your tiny little mind is now.
Give up and die!
PLEASE!
Projection, Mr. LOG? You've certainly got the intelligence of a log, so read slowly.
1) We do not accept heliocentrism without question. We always doubt everything. Heliocentrism is backed by all the evidence, thus it can answer the questions, thus we accept it. I'll repeat: We accept heliocentrism because it can answer our questions, not because we don't ask questions.
2) You are swallowing an ancient book of myths without question. Perhaps you were looking in the mirror when you made this post.
And look mate, I can tell you're a human, not a lion. No lions would be Christian. Only humans would. Just think; who would follow a religion which says that another species is automatically superior to you and has "dominion" over you?
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Look, there is no center, okay? Or, if it rocks your boat, anyplace is the center. Whatever. Lay off that cock.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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