The one big problem with the rational mind(reasoning out things) is that they assume that they know the truth about everything already. So they start out in their thinking with the assumption that they can know. But what does the Word of God say: unless you become as a little child, you will by no means enter the kingdom of God. And a little child just believes everything you tell them. Well that is what the Word of God says, just believe what the Word tells you. In reality the Word is saying believe it first and then God will open your understanding. But the rational mind says dont believe nothing until you have good reason behind it. This is the difference between accepting it on faith, and reasoning it out according to mans wisdom. The Word accually says to first repent then believe in the gospel. It doesnt say reason it out until it says what you want it to. To many have a pre-conceived idea planted by some man before they open the bible. Then they search to find something that supports their already pre-conceived idea.
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"The one big problem with the rational mind(reasoning out things) is that they assume that they know the truth about everything already."Untrue. That would be irrational and unreasoning. We do accept proven facts as facts and we do not accept that for which no evidence or only poor evidence exists.
"So they start out in their thinking with the assumption that they can know."
Yes, I believe that given enough time and effort humans can know many many things; many things which the human race does not know now. However, I do not claim that everything is knowable. That, too, would be irrational.
"But what does the Word of God say: unless you become as a little child, you will by no means enter the kingdom of God."
Yes, imagine that, the scriptures of a group trying to sell you a delusion says that you shouldn't think deeply about their irrational statements, you should believe what they tell you.
"And a little child just believes everything you tell them. Well that is what the Word of God says, just believe what the Word tells you."
Indeed. That's not a good thing, Squeaky.
"In reality the Word is saying believe it first and then God will open your understanding."
The path to understanding doesn't require one to swallow ridiculous and patently false assertions. That's the path to delusion and intellectual dishonesty.
"But the rational mind says dont believe nothing until you have good reason behind it."
No. First, most rational persons would use better grammar than that. Second, the rational mind believes that for which there is the best avalable evidence and allows for correction if better evidence comes to light.
"This is the difference between accepting it on faith, and reasoning it out according to mans wisdom."
True. Faith is the belief in an assertion for which there in no supporting evidence. Remember, that isn't a good thing.
"The Word accually says to first repent then believe in the gospel."
Until you provide good evidence supporting the gospels, I will not believe them. You can start by proving that God and Jesus exist.
"It doesnt say reason it out until it says what you want it to."
No. The Bible says little in favor of reason and nothing, so far as I remember, in favor of intelligence. That's one of the big problems with Christian scripture.
"To many have a pre-conceived idea planted by some man before they open the bible. Then they search to find something that supports their already pre-conceived idea."
True, some of us have learned to reason before we read the Bible. We have pre-conceived ideas such as if to statements conflict, at least one of them is not true, and don't believe assertions just because the fairy tales of ancient desert bumpkins tell you to.
It´s actually funny to nominate you to overdose irony death. Man, who asumes that knows everything, just looking at a Jacobean translation of a Semitic book?, who is open to new interpretation if new evidence appears?. Second, when Jesus said so, he talked about the way kids love inconditionally and are more innocent and harmless, NOT TO THE WAY OF THINKING. Nobody wants a gullible in whatever religion or ideology.
Squeakybro wrote:
I am the King of England and you owe me $1,000,000,000 in unpaid taxes! Your own logic says you have to believe me!
"The whole foundation of Christianity is based on the idea that intellectualism is the work of the Devil. Remember the apple on the tree? Okay, it was the Tree of Knowledge. 'You eat this apple, you're going to be as smart as God. We can't have that.' " -- Frank Zappa
To many have a pre-conceived idea planted by some man before they open the bible. Then they search to find something that supports their already pre-conceived idea."
Actualy, the purely rational mind refuses to believe something without proof, evidence to proof, or a logical progression to proof. Since the Bible offers none of these things to support its doctrines, the purely rational mind will not accept it. know what to do, not just feel it's the correct course.
The one big problem with the rational mind(reasoning out things) is that they assume that they know the truth about everything already. But what does the Word of God say: unless you become as a little child, you will by no means enter the kingdom of God. And a little child just believes everything you tell them.
And that's the problem... don't you see? Obviously not.
"The one big problem with the rational mind(reasoning out things) is that they assume that they know the truth about everything already."
The Bible says "humble as a child", not "ignorant as a child".
"a little child just believes everything you tell them."
So you admit that you need the mind of a little child to be a fundie?
We knew that already, bud, but thanks for being so candid.
This is a straight out admission that belief needs indoctrination. This is why they want it in schools and media, constant indoctrination without dissent.
Also an admission that if you're free of it you develop a sense of reason that makes you near immune to later indoctrination. I'm lucky enough to have been raised free of it but noticed it from peers and went into a research of it in my youth and well into my 56th year.
People say I spend a lot of time on something I don't believe, but that's a lame argument, I've spent much more time immersed in Marvel Comics. I don't believe in their stories either.
The rational mind does not think it knows everything already, stupid; there would be no need for reasoning if there were nothing to reason out.
The Word of God says lots of things, a few wise things but most of them are outdated, irrelevant or even ridiculous.
To have a preconceived idea planted by someone, isn't that very similar to believing first, on faith?
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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