God created hell out of mercy. The damned would rather get tortured than be in the presence of God, and God loves us so much that he gives us free will. It was their choice. It is justice. We were made to share God's glory. It's our fault if we don't choose ton
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I just love it when these folks go apeshit when they hear about the doctrine of universalism , but I won't get into that here. This just basically shows how a fucked up theology based on misinterpretations of a dead language can mess with a person's mind, and have them accept absurdities and monstrosities. It is this kind of thinking that led to the atrocities of the dark ages.
Do we still get a choice?
Also, do you think this would be a new way to get off rape charges?
Yeah, what NotMe said.
IF you had children whom you loved very much, would you create a tempting, cupcake-shaped chunk of poison and leave it on the kitchen table? Even if you had told them not to eat the cupcake, that would still be terrible parenting and, at least, reckless endangerment. This seems to me to be essentially what God did when he supposedly created hell. I mean, your children *do* have free-will to eat or not eat the poison, but allowing that choice is not the act of a loving parent.
Also, a good and loving God would provide clear, compelling evidence so that his children would not make the wrong choices. If God exists, it's his fault that so many are damned as he has not provided such evidence.
Uh-huh, so they also would prefer torture over just being free to roam the universe, scaring the hell out of people, for eternity? Riiiight.
See, the problem here, Arctic, is that you are under the badly mistaken impression that God is obvious, so we're just denying it. I'll correct you now; there is no evidence of God, so if he exists, it's his own damn fault that most people don't believe in him. You also seem to be under the mistaken impression that belief is voluntary; it's not. Beliefs are the automatic results of our conscious minds interpreting available information. Changes in available information (or reductions in conscious awareness) can change our beliefs, but they cannot be changed through will alone. You further seem to be under the misapprehension that atheists would rather be tortured than "accept God." If a god were proven beyond all doubt to exist, there would be no atheists. Everyone would believe in that god. You have difficulty seeing this because you are under the impression that your god has been proven already. You are further mistaken when you claim that it is either "justice" or "mercy" to torture people forever simply because they didn't believe in anything unsupported by evidence, or those who did believe things unsupported by evidence but didn't believe the right unsupported idea out of the infinite number of unsupported ideas.
Maronan, for what it's worth, I thank you for putting that so cogently and so precisely. I think it was worth the trouble, if only to see it put so well.
Find a dictionary.
Look up "mercy."
If you still don't understand what's wrong with what you said, beat yourself over the head with said Dictionary.
Have a nice day, and go play in traffic.
God created hell out of mercy. The damned would rather get tortured than be in the presence of God, and God loves us so much that he gives us free will. It was their choice. It is justice. We were made to share God's glory. It's our fault if we don't choose ton
>>God created hell out of mercy
hell and mercy do NOT belong in the same sentence.
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