['While liberals advocated for the end of slavery...conservatives resisted
While liberals advocated for the end of segregation conservatives resisted
While liberals advocated for women's rights...conservatives resisted
When liberals advocated for civil rights...conservatives resisted']
John Jay-not a liberal
Alexander Hamilton-not a liberal
John Rankin-not a liberal
Henry Ward Beecher-not a liberal
Lincoln-not a liberal
Teddy Roosevelt-not a liberal
Folks should not get their history from the West Wing.
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Interesting. This is one where both the poster and the person he was responding to are both incorrect.
*While liberals advocated for women's rights...conservatives resisted
Actually, Utah was the second territory / state in the United States to give women the right to vote. This right was one of many that the US government revoked in their attempt to destroy the Mormon denomination, something that most history books tend to gloss over.
*Lincoln-not a liberal
Although Lincoln opposed slavery, there is a debate as to whether or not he may have actually been a racist.
While there definitely are some liberal fundies out there, it seems to be the conservative ones who most often have history backward, or at least sideways. This one falls right into line with that observation. The arrogant attitude is merely the icing on the cake.
~David D.G.
Skyfire - interestingly, it was the rednecks in Australia who gave women the vote, too. The rationale was, right-wing women would vote like their husbands and fathers, and the main left wing bloc was the single, working, vagrant or immigrant male.
as a further note, I would like to tell Brennin that these men are not the only ones whose liberality need to be discounted as AMERICA IS NOT THE ONLY COUNTRY WHERE THESE BATTLES WERE FOUGHT!
King Spirula #27252
<< Actually, Teddy R was a liberal republican, and so pissed of many of the conservatives in his party. He did start the National Parks after all. Not a very conservative thing to do. >>
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It still boggles my mind that one of the things so-called "conservatives" disdain is conservation! I mean, come on! That's just like in Ray Bradbury's "Fahrenheit 451," in which the "firemen" are not people who put out fires, but who use fire to burn books.
~David D.G.
>>> The quoted part is more dogmatic than the response. And many of the posts on here are equally absurd. Its funny how people can make fun of idiotic statements when its people on the other side saying them and then turn around and say crap exactly the same way.
"Liberals hate America" BOOO! fundie dogmatic bs! booo!!
"Conservatives hate the environment and only love their money" Right on. Speak the truth brother.
Sorry but I just don't see the difference... <<<
Feel better now? This isn't a discussion forum, so you're not going to find many in-depth answers to the absurd posts submitted, although if you ask, I'm sure some people would be obliged to give a detailed response for you. Most, however, like me, are content with simply giving witty one-liners. The cracks about conservation and wealth are an example. That's often not the extent of their argument. Like I said, go ahead and ask them about it if you want to know more.
Also, it should be noted that this site is primarily about religion, not politics. There are conservative non-theists. You can talk to some of them on Internet Infidels. If you're looking for discussion, go there. This is - I think - a humor site.
EDIT: Hey, that was kinda long, wasn't it? Uh, forget that whole thing I said about in-depth responses.
"Yea. Brennin is an idiot."
This coming from the guy who thinks this:
"liberalism
One entry found for liberalism. Main Entry: liberalism
Pronunciation: 'li-b(&-)r&-"li-z&m
Function: noun
1 : the quality or state of being liberal
2 a often capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity b : a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard c : a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties d capitalized : the principles and policies of a Liberal party
Liberal:
Function: noun
: a person who is liberal: as a : one who is open-minded or not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional, or established forms or ways b capitalized : a member or supporter of a liberal political party c : an advocate or adherent of liberalism especially in individual rights
Conservative:
Function: adjective
1 : PRESERVATIVE
2 a : of or relating to a philosophy of conservatism b capitalized : of or constituting a political party professing the principles of conservatism : as (1) : of or constituting a party of the United Kingdom advocating support of established institutions (2) : PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVE
3 a : tending or disposed to maintain existing views, conditions, or institutions : TRADITIONAL b : marked by moderation or caution <a conservative estimate> c : marked by or relating to traditional norms of taste, elegance, style, or manners <a conservative suit>
4 : of or relating to Conservative Judaism
Function: noun
1 a : an adherent or advocate of political conservatism b capitalized : a member or supporter of a conservative political party
2 a : one who adheres to traditional methods or views b : a cautious or discreet person"
Is equivalent to:
"I am talking with the religious definitions of liberal and conservative, which basically:
Liberal = advocates for, or accepts change
Conservative = doesn't accept change."
You need to read the dictionary again (or, more appropraitely, have it read to you).
Yahweh, you forgot to quote your faux pas:
"John Jay and Alexander Hamilton cowrote the Federalist Papers with Madison, which were representative of the liberalism at the time. The anti-Federalist papers were representative of the conservatives at the time. To my knowledge, all three men were members of the Democrat-Republican party, which preceded the old Republican party, which preceded the modern Democratic party."
By the way, how is life as a "pretty princess" going?
>>Yahweh, you forgot to quote your faux pas:
"John Jay and Alexander Hamilton cowrote the Federalist Papers with Madison, which were representative of the liberalism at the time. The anti-Federalist papers were representative of the conservatives at the time. To my knowledge, all three men were members of the Democrat-Republican party, which preceded the old Republican party, which preceded the modern Democratic party."<<
Faux pas? Being pretentious is cute, being pretentious and not knowing the meaning of the actual words you're using is cuter.
>>By the way, how is life as a "pretty princess" going? <<
Super, thanks for asking!
"A breach of social ettiquette, to be precise."
That is the most common, but not the only, denotation.
"Misstatements of facts (which he did not do either, but it's what you accuse him of)"
Yes, he did.
Brennin: "By the way, how is life as a "pretty princess" going?"
Anyone notice when Brennin is losing an argument that he results in ad hominem attacks, which is exactly what Brennin complains about other people doing?
Mr. Pot: meet Mr. Kettle. Mr. Kettle: Mr. Pot.
<<< "A breach of social ettiquette, to be precise."
That is the most common, but not the only, denotation. >>>
Google "define:faux pas" says otherwise, and I have never heard it used with any other meaning.
<<< "Misstatements of facts (which he did not do either, but it's what you accuse him of)"
Yes, he did. >>>
Mind substantiating this claim, or are you just going to cover your ears and shout "LALALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU"?
>>"A breach of social ettiquette, to be precise."
That is the most common, but not the only, denotation.<<
Your heart is just going to break when you realize the word you were looking for is "connotation".
>>"Misstatements of facts (which he did not do either, but it's what you accuse him of)"
Yes, he did.<<
Show me just one mistake. I dare you.
"Uh, maybe you consult a history book brenin."
I don't need to, thanks, but you obviously need to consult a book on the English language and/or lay off the chronic.
@Brennin
"Your heart is just going to break when you realize the word you were looking for is 'connotation'."
No. You just keep burying yourself deeper and deeper. Denotation=meaning.
For Christ's sake:
@Dictionary.comConnotation
An idea or meaning suggested by or associated with a word or thing: Hollywood holds connotations of romance and glittering success.
The set of associations implied by a word in addition to its literal meaning.
Denotation
The most specific or direct meaning of a word, in contrast to its figurative or associated meanings.
In short, connotation means "figurative or non-literal meaning". Denotation means "dictionary meaning".
>>"A breach of social ettiquette, to be precise."
That is the most common, but not the only, denotation.<<
Yes, it is the only denotation, see for yourself :
@Dictionary.comA social blunder
There's no possible way that you could have meant a dictionary definition, and that statement "most common X, but not the only Y " is almost exclusively used to refer to words with a variety of figurative or non-literal uses.
Seriously, you're being a complete tool.
@Brennin"Show me just one mistake. I dare you."
Your comments concerning the political affiliation of John Jay and Alexander Hamilton were erroneous.
If not, then they were Federalists. And in that case, they would have been "liberals" as the group promoted strong central government, and the anti-Federalists would have been "conservatives" as they were made up of largely farmers and wanted to decentralize the government.
"In short, connotation means 'figurative or non-literal meaning'. Denotation means 'dictionary meaning'."
I am aware of that and you were wrong.
"Yes, it is the only denotation, see for yourself:"
Wrong:
faux pas
One entry found for faux pas.
Main Entry: faux pas
Pronunciation: 'fO-"pä, fO-'
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural faux pas /-"pä(z), -'pä(z)/
Etymology: French, literally, false step
: BLUNDER; especially : a social blunder
"And in that case, they would have been "liberals" as the group promoted strong central government, and the anti-Federalists would have been "conservatives" as they were made up of largely farmers and wanted to decentralize the government."
Nope.
<<< Denotation=meaning >>>
Sort of. It means the literal, dictionary meaning, whereas connotation means an association that the term carries apart from the denotation ("lynching" simply means to kill without legal sanction, but it tends to conjure up pictures of the KKK or a rampaging mob).
<<< Don't argue English with me; you will lose. >>>
From what you've demonstrated so far, that appears unlikely.
As for the definition of faux pas, you are, as far as I know, the *only* person to use the term to mean a blunder in a more general sense - and m-w is the only site I've found so far that lists it even as an acceptable meaning (dictionary.com has two entries, both of which disagree; Google "define:faux pas" lists three more which all emphasize that it must be a social blunder), much less a common one.
"Sort of. It means the literal, dictionary meaning, whereas connotation means an association that the term carries apart from the denotation ("lynching" simply means to kill without legal sanction, but it tends to conjure up pictures of the KKK or a rampaging mob)."
I am aware of that.
"From what you've demonstrated so far, that appears unlikely."
Nope. I am beginning to think I should resort to Dick, Jane, and Spot with you all.
"As for the definition of faux pas, you are, as far as I know, the *only* person to use the term to mean a blunder in a more general sense - and m-w is the only site I've found so far that lists it even as an acceptable meaning (dictionary.com has two entries, both of which disagree; Google "define:faux pas" lists three more which all emphasize that it must be a social blunder), much less a common one."
It is amazing what one discovers when he makes recourse to an authoritative source!
Lincoln originally didn't want to free the slaves, but later did so only due to abolitionist pressure and politics, to gain support for the War. Before changing positions, he stated something to the effect that if he could win the war without freeing the slaves, he would do so.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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