For as long as Whites and Blacks lived side by side in the United States, there have been laws on the books forbidding miscegenation. In those days adultery and fornication and sodomy were all also illegal. At least 95% of the people had no problem with these laws – they simply married somebody of their own race and stayed faithful. And getting a divorce was difficult – you were expected to remain in the lifetime commitment you had made.
Well those “brilliant” legal minds who sit as the black robed judges in America decided to throw out all the laws criminalizing adultery, fornication, sodomy, and race-mixing – and made divorce as simple as filling out a form. What possible rationale did these crazy judges offer to justify these acts of absolute lunacy? In a word: RIGHTS.
According to the Supreme Court of the United States, everyone has the “fundamental right” to copulate with anybody else. Two sodomites who continued to fornicate even after the police caught them in the act, must not only be charged with no crime – they deserve “respect” according to SCOTUS.
According to SCOTUS it is “cruel and unusual punishment” to execute a sick monster who rapes a little baby. That would be against his “Constitutional rights” so his sentence must be commuted.
The homos are demanding full “marriage equality” as they term their aberrant notion of sodomites “marrying” other sodomites, and lesbians “marrying” other lesbians. What is their precedent for demanding such a thing?
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You just don't get it do you?
The fundamental basis for the argument for gay marrige is YOUR marriage. YOUR hetrosexual marrige is the precedent. The fact that, as you suggest, 95% of people are able to enjoy the old form of marrige. If you didn't get to get married, then Gays wouldn't get to get married either.
Methinks this person doesn't get out much or reads any history.
Newsflash: Even criminals have a right to live. Though I admit some people wake the instinct to see them dead. That does not make it right, however, far from it.
I blame all the hetero couples who keep having all teh ghey babies.
Oh, yeah; and the television shows. Damn them all. Damn them all to hell.
"For as long as Whites and Blacks lived side by side in the United States, there have been laws on the books forbidding miscegenation."
Erm, no. Those laws didn't exist until after 1907.
"What is their precedent for demanding such a thing?"
Congress shall make no law regarding establishment of religion . . .
there have been laws on the books forbidding miscegenation. In those days adultery and fornication and sodomy were all also illegal.
I like how anti-gay people use the argument that "there were laws on the books against _______" as if laws can never be changed or discarded if found to be unconstitutional or just plain wrong. There also used to be laws on the books in some states allowing slavery and segregation, but I guess we gave them up for RIGHTS.
Firstly; NOBODY is saying that people have the right to rape children! In order to have sex with someone, you need that person's informed consent beforehand. Only adults can give informed consent. Children have the RIGHT to be free from sexual, physical and emotional abuse, and should be cared for with love, compassion and intelligence.
Secondly; the laws you describe in the beginning of your text kept women locked in loveless and abusive marriages. And the laws weren't as "perfect" as you seem to believe. Slave owners could decide who their slaves "married" and could then sell off the slaves to different parts of the country, never to see their "spouse" again.
The precedent is that consenting opposite-gender couples have the right to marry; then consenting same-gender couples ought to have the same right. A man has the right to marry a woman, a woman ought to have that same right.
Murdering a human being is a cruel and unusual punishment, or rather it ought to be.
What is their precedent for demanding such a thing?
The Constitution. And the fact that we live in a Constitutional Republic that has taken, as an axiom, the protection of the minority from the whims of the majority. So, you can't deny someone the right to marry a black person just because that person is black, you can't deny someone the right to privacy just because they are gay, you can't deny a woman the right to marry a woman just because the partner happens to be a woman, and you can't deny Episcopalians and Unitarian Universalists the right to perform gay marriage ceremonies just because your sect doesn't acknowledge them. You have racial, sexual orientation, gender, and religious discrimination as part of your platform. Any wonder the Supreme Court keeps taking away your toys?
The Constitution provides for SCOTUS to do their job of interpreting the Constitution and enforcing it, something it seems you don't like. Well, if you don't like living under the rights provided by the Constitution, go live someplace else.
According to SCOTUS it is “cruel and unusual punishment” to execute a sick monster who rapes a little baby. That would be against his “Constitutional rights” so his sentence must be commuted.
Um, that's just a lie. The SCOTUS hasn't said that at all and Scalia has a positive hard-on for executing people.
What is their precedent for demanding such a thing?
Ancient Greece, Ancient Rome, parts of China, certain Native American tribes.
"they simply married somebody of their own race and stayed faithful"
HAHAHAHA!
Like that ever stopped cheating.
Adultery is still a crime in over 20 states, and can bring a felony sentence of as long as a year (Michigan). Methinks there's still a teeny bit of adultery going on in those places, anyway.
Even when adultery laws were enforced, it was much more often enforced on women than men.
Actually, the decision in Coker v. Georgia was that only the taking of a life merits the state's taking of a life, yet sexual battery of a child is still on the books as a capital crime, meaning twelve jurors on the panel and no parole, ever.
"For as long as Whites and Blacks lived side by side in the United States..."
- Wow, you make it sound so nice. Why on earth would anyone want to change such an ideal situation?
Ah, those mythical golden days of slavery ...
I have one name for you Mack (or should that be "Big Mac"?)
Jefferson
Two sodomites who continued to fornicate even after the police caught them in the act, must not only be charged with no crime they deserve “respect” according to SCOTUS.
You are deliberately insinterpreting this. If two guys are caught fucking in a park, they should be charged. With Public Indecency, just like any straight couple. To tack Sodomy charges on is blatant discrimination, though. As would be charging someone whose only crime was having sex in their own home, where the ony harm is to your delicate sensibiities knowing there are gay guys out tehre with the nerve to have sex, and the unmitigated gall to enjoy it, too.
The homos are demanding full “marriage equality” as they term their aberrant notion of sodomites “marrying” other sodomites, and lesbians “marrying” other lesbians. What is their precedent for demanding such a thing?
The fact that marriage exists, and enshrines a number of rights that are denied a gay couple such as the right to joint file taxes, the right to be considerd next of kin, the right to get Social Security benefits in case of a partner's untimely demise, just as you get. It has fuck all to do with religion, just as your outrage has little to do with it, too, and more to do with anything to make the gays miserable.
What starts as a racist comment becomes a full-fledged rant against gay people that claims they should be denied all human rights.
Seriously, what is it about people like Mack Quigley that makes them so hateful?
Homosexuality is not correlated with pedophilia, so there is no possibility of a causal relationship between the two. However, there is a definite relationship between celibate Catholic priesthood and pedophilia. Is there a causal relationship? I don't know. But what happens to all the devout catholic boys when they realize they are gay? They can't bear the thought of being married to a woman. What's more, they are convinced that being gay is a sin. Do they choose the priesthood as a way of solving both problems? Unfortunately, the human sex drive cannot go unsatisfied. Sex is like eating, drinking, or sleeping - your body requires it. Those who cannot engage in socially acceptable sexual activity inevitably engage in deviant sexual activity.
At least 95% of the people had no problem with these laws
95% of the people had no problem with making Rosa Parks sit in the back of the bus, either. That's why the framers of the US Constitution put in the Bill of Rights.
"Two sodomites who continued to fornicate even after the police caught them in the act, must not only be charged with no crime they deserve “respect” according to SCOTUS."
--In the privacy of their own home or a hotel, I agree, they should not be charged. in public, there are laws against that regardless of sexual orientation.
"According to SCOTUS it is “cruel and unusual punishment” to execute a sick monster who rapes a little baby."
--If someone rapes a baby, they deserve death, or at a miminum, a life sentence in prison.
What is the precedent? I'm not an expert but I seem to recall something about "all Men are created equal". It took a couple centuries but we, as a nation, are very close to making those words a reality.
Mack Quigley should learn about the concept of personnal liberty , whoch means that, as long as the two persons are consenting and that nobody is harmed, it shouldn't be inlawful: fornication, sodomy and misgenation shouldn't be punished at all and adultery should be punished only by an at-fault divorce and/or civil penalties (tort).
No-fault divorces have been created to help couples who didn't want to stay together anymore, reduce the rate of domestic violence and murder, and stopping laywers to create legal fictions by making their clients parjure in open court.
As for the part where you speak about the Kennedy ruling: I read this ruling and thought its foundations, the arguments about the proportionnality, very shacky; even though my opinion about death penalty goes between opposed and neutral, I think the legislatures should be left to determine the proportionnality of punishments with respect to the crimes and that, if he Supreme Court ruled capital punishment constitutional in Gregg then this principe should be extended to the death penalty.
Well, good luck, then, explaining the presence of brothels in full sight and the fact that most blacks and a sizeable portion of the white population(around 25%)in the South had, at least one ancestor of a different race. Come on.
Did anyone read the remainder of my commentary before they commented?
Those who claimed I misstated SCOTUS' decisions were wrong. In Lawrence v. Texas the men kept buggering each other even after the police arrived and told them to stop. The sodomites were exonerated by the SCOTUS in a decision that said these deviants were "entitled to respect".
And in Kennedy v. Louisiana the defendant raped a little 8 year old girl, but SCOTUS ruled that the death penalty for child rapists is "cruel and unusual" and overturned his death sentence.
Such "rights" are NOT in the Constitution and it gives SCOTUS no authority to invent "rights" by judicial fiat.
As I sated in my commentary, the term "rights" is a tautology - a grandiose way for people to justify what they want to do by pretending nobody can stop them. That's 100% wrong - you have no "right" to do anything except die when someone puts a loaded gun to your head. Everyone with "rights" is simply hoping the government will give them permission to do what they want to do.
No sodomite has the "right" to buggery - he is only getting away with it due to the great numbers of sex perverts in government who refuse to enforce proper laws.
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