I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I really do believe that this [the Foley scandal] is just a liberal hatchet job.
The first clue is that they're calling for Denny Hastert's resignation when he isn't even involved.
The second is that nearly every single "fact" they've presented has turned out to be untrue.
Does anybody remember just a few years ago when Bill Clinton was getting oral sex from his interns and the Democrats said that what he did in his private life was no big deal?
But of course, a Republican sends a couple of dirty emails and they're so outraged that they're calling for the resignation of people who aren't even invloved.
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Yeah, well, you see, Clinton was having oral sex with a consenting adult, not teenage pages.
"I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I really do believe that this [the Foley scandal] is just a liberal hatchet job." "The first clue is that they're calling for Denny Hastert's resignation when he isn't even involved."
Ah, they are not calling for the resignation of the Speaker because he was "involved" but because he may have taken a page from the Catholic Church's playbook and swept the whole thing under the rug when he first learned of it possibly years ago. And his resignation was first called for by a Republican.
"The second is that nearly every single "fact" they've presented has turned out to be untrue."
Name one revelation made so far that has turned out to be untrue. Sexualy explicit e-mails? True. Sexually explicit IMs? True. Underage male page? True. Republican Senator? True. Everything so far has not only been true, but has been uncontested by Foley himself.
"Does anybody remember just a few years ago when Bill Clinton was getting oral sex from his interns and the Democrats said that what he did in his private life was no big deal?"
Not true. The scandal was over President Clinton's supposed perjury, not his affair, which, if you will check the laws, while of questionable morality and wisdom, was not, in fact, illegal. Making sexual advances towards a minor is illegal. And the exact same Republicans who are now rallying to defend Foley are the same ones who were vowing to crucify Clinton. So I guess when a Democrat lets his John Thomas go wandering with a legal consenting adult, it's the end of the world, but when a Republican makes pedophiliac advances towards an underage boy, that's not a big deal.
"But of course, a Republican sends a couple of dirty emails and they're so outraged that they're calling for the resignation of people who aren't even invloved."
It's begining to look like the others were involved in, if not actively covering it up, then at least not taking a potential pedophile Senator seriously as a problem. And if someone was sending a "couple of dirty e-mails" to your underage child, would you be pissed? Whould you want the asshats who knew about it and did nothing fired?
I bet you would. Quit confusing your political agenda with your moral one. They aren't compatable.
The age of consent in Washington DC is only 16 in cases where the partner is under age 30 or married to the individual in question.
Bill Clinton was getting oral sex from his interns a Republican sends a couple of dirty emails
... to a 16-year-old. Who is not of legal age, and who is under his authority to an extent as part of the page program.
Now, do you understand what the difference between the two situations is, or do I have to get out the heavy-duty Cluebat?
"...Denny Hastert's resignation when he isn't even involved."
Not to mention the page didn't consent whether he was at an age to make an informed decision or not, and was put in a position he did not know how to handle, and when he asked for help those people refused to help him and hushed it up.
Sorry, but Denny Hastert IS involved, because he cover him up, that´s why they are calling for resignation. Second, there is one thing called statutory rape(he sent emails to a minor)and consistency. It´s a crime and can´t be covered up for fear of losing credibility.
The first clue is that they're calling for Denny Hastert's resignation when he isn't even involved. The second is that nearly every single "fact" they've presented has turned out to be untrue.
Fact: he sent suggestive e-mails to underage pages. Fact: He invited more than one to his home. I don’t see where these are untrue.
Does anybody remember just a few years ago when Bill Clinton was getting oral sex from his interns and the Democrats said that what he did in his private life was no big deal? Monica was 22 at the time of the affair a legal adult. Foley’s little friend was 16 or 17 a minor.
But of course, a Republican sends a couple of dirty emails and they're so outraged that they're calling for the resignation of people who aren't even involved."
If someone knowingly covered up or turned a blind eye, that person should indeed resign.
The age of consent in DC is 16, true. However, the LAW THAT FOLEY PASSED to protect children from online predators stated that since the Internet goes over state lines, it becomes a federal issue (as interstate commerce does), and that federally the age of consent is 18. He is breaking his own law.
There are many moral issues to this case that seem to escape you. His helping to pass laws that penalise the very actions he was engaged in matters more than his sexuality. Sexual Harassment in the workplace is against the law regardless of orientation. Forcing your attentions on a minor is wrong no matter how you look at it. Internet stalking is a hot button issue in the Congress with suggestions to make his actions totally illegal.
"I'm not a conspiracy theorist,"
MikeMcK, the issues here include not only illegality (the facts of which support the allegations entirely, and which even Foley does not deny), but also monumental hypocrisy. You seem to be not only blind to the former but a willing fellow participant in the latter.
OK, I think Clinton and Foley are BOTH despicable. Where do I stand?
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but... ...I really do believe that this [the Foley scandal] is just a liberal hatchet job.
Yes, you've got your tinfoil hat on.
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The first clue is that they're calling for Denny Hastert's resignation when he isn't even involved.
He was involved, dripwad. Hastert knew about Foley's actions and tried to cover them up.
The second is that nearly every single "fact" they've presented has turned out to be untrue.
Name one. The only untrue "fact" that anyone ever mentioned was when Faux News tried to claim Foley was a Democrat in a cheap and disgusting effort to divert blame.
Does anybody remember just a few years ago when Bill Clinton was getting oral sex from his interns and the Democrats said that what he did in his private life was no big deal?
Clinton! Tu quoque! Clinton! Tu Quoque!
Ah, shut up. The issue here is Foley, not Clinton. What Foley (and Hastert) did was wrong, regardless of what anyone else did or didn't do. After all, Bush ordered torture of innocent people, but it would still be wrong if I did it. Haven't you ever heard of "two wrongs don't make a right?"
Besides, what Clinton and Foley did were two different things. Clinton had sex with a consenting adult. Since Clinton was already married, he shouldn't have done it, but it certainly wasn't the public's concern. The Monica Lewinski affair was a private matter between Mr. Clinton, Mrs. Clinton, and Miss Lewinski. It wouldn't have become public if it weren't for the fact that the Republicans in Congress were annoyed that the President disagreed with them, and wanted to find something - anything - that they could use to get rid of him. They pounced on the Lewinski affair and tried to make a "scandal" out of it, but all they did was waste public money. The Lewinski affair wasn't really a "scandal" at all, let alone a huge scandal of the magnitude of Watergate, the Iran-Contra scandal, or the recent Iraq and torture fiascos. Foley, on the other hand, sent dirty messages to nonconsenting teenagers in violation of a law that he helped pass. His fellow Republicans covered it up.
Your current assignment is to describe the idea of "consent" with particular emphasis on what it means regarding romantic relationships.
But of course, a Republican sends a couple of dirty emails...
When a Democratic president had sex with a consenting adult, Republicans spent millions of dollars in taxpayer money trying to turn it into a massive scandal. When a Republican congressman sent dirty emails to nonconsenting underage pages, it's no big deal. You're such hypocrites.
...and they're so outraged that they're calling for the resignation of people who aren't even invloved.
No we're not. We are calling, however, for the resignation of people involved in the coverup, and not merely Foley himself.
A decade later and we now know Hastert was quite a bit more involved than we knew back then...
Scary how a pedophile was two heart attacks in a row away from becoming president. Of course, Hastert was such a slimy politician in general that his pedophilia barely stands out in the long run.
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