I don’t know if we should get into a discussion about what proof is however I would like to give you some food for thought. If the Christian God is real then everything in the universe is “proof” of his existence. If the Christian God is real and the bible is the accurate account of the Christian God then the bible is, without question, proof of the Christian God. The proofs are in the form of eye witness testimony.
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WOW! Do you know what you’ve done? You’ve proved, without a doubt, the actual existence of the christian god, IF he is real!
Wait. You didn’t prove shit. That’s what I meant.
What a complete waste of time your post is. Fail you have.
Well, if you replace "the Christian God" with "Krishna," and "bible" with "Vedas," your assumption-based argument still works just as well.
Of course, you didn't prove - or even assert - anything, you just stated a lot of 'ifs.'
This amuses me so much.
You know those prophets who apparently interacted with God? Moses et al? Well, these days, people who hear God talking to them are called paranoid schizophrenics. How do you know you haven't been deluded for millenia by the ravings of the mentally ill?
First, you have only stated that God is true if he is true.
Second, I'm not sure about your logic. Something being true doesn't mean everything related to it is proof.
If I write in a piece of paper "the next dog I will see will be a doberman", and it turns out to be true, that paper is still proof of nothing. If I make a necklace and sell it, the necklace itself doesn't prove my authorship unless I engrave my name or something.
You are assuming that if God is true, then he will create the universe as proof, which is not necessarily the case.
So... in order to prove that God exists, we must first assume that he exists?
You spin me right round baby right round,
Like a record baby right round, right round.
(A AND B)->A
I really can't argue with that logic.
I can, however, question the point of it.
“I don’t know if we should get into a discussion about what proof is however I would like to give you some food for thought. If the Christian God is real then everything in the universe is “proof” of his existence.”
Imagine you’re on trial for murder.
We’ll stipulate that you’re innocent.
The Prosecution tells the jury, “IF Linux98 killed Mr. Body, then Mr. Body’s corpse is PROOF OF HIS GUILT!”
Do you think that’s convincing as proof of your guilt? Mr. Body IS dead! There are only a few million candidates for his murder. Would you hope the jury asks for more convincing proof or that they just shout ‘Hang ‘em’ right now?
“If the Christian God is real"
Which you have not proven.
“and the bible is the accurate account of the Christian God”
Which you have not proven.
“ then the bible is, without question, proof of the Christian God.”
No. There are lots of questions.
“The proofs are in the form of eye witness testimony.”
Except they’re not. Whoever wrote Mark did it about 40 years after Jesus was supposedly crucified. Matthew was 10 years after that. Luke, another 10 years or so after after, John was about 70 years after the time of the Crucifixion. Not eyewitnesses.
Paul mentions Jesus, but never physically. Nothing about his life or his miracles, so not an eyewitness there, either.
"If <false premise>, then <false conclusion>, if so, <disposable 2nd level false-premise-dependent argument>".
This is also a circular argument. It also appeals to false authorities, like ancient humain claims.
Human brains and testimony are notoriously unreliable. This is where the scientific method makes a difference, it takes human fallacies into account with techniques. It also derives conclusions from evidence, instead of imposing a conclusion and trying to find justifications with cherry picking and confirmation bias.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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