I feel I must refute the idea that these are incoherent:He created beings with their own free will - to follow Him or to reject Him.
The Devil is a consequence of this God given freedom.
He did not create us as puppets or robots.Human science can't yet define how the soul interacts with our physical brain, but that does not mean that the interaction is not there.I do not presume to make judgements about Heaven until I get there!No - just free of the unavoidable consequences of material reactions, which allows us the freedom to choose rather than just react.I do not think you understand how thoughts are initiated, driven and perceived by our spiritual soul. I do not understand this myself, but it is just the way it is (not just the way it seems!).God has made Himself known to all mankind in the form of Jesus Christ.I see it as man rejecting God rather than the other way round.
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Then I reject this godbeast of yours and demand to stand on my two feet, nothing makes me dependand on your slave driver to survive, not me not any other terran. How dare you just do as you are told without question you disgusting animal!
If God created humans with free will, then why does He punish them if they use it? Saying, "You have the free will to believe, but I'll punish you for eternity if you don't believe" is not free will.
There's a song that expresses this disconnect, called "Hand Me Down My Bible." The chorus includes the lines
"Everybody's got the right to go wrong,
Everybody's got to sing my song"
in other words, "you can do what you want, as long as you follow my rules."
Prove the existence of the 'Soul' first.
Science can prove the existence of the brain. Also, electrochemical processes.
A rainbow doesn't physically exist: yet, it can be seen . So much for the 'Spiritual'/'Supernatural', then.
I feel I must refute the idea that these are incoherent:He created beings with their own free will - to follow Him or to reject Him.
Purposefully giving something a flaw when you don't want it to break or make mistakes is a sign of muddled thinking. He demands abject obedience down to the last thought and becomes murderously angry when people fall short yet, according to you, he purposefully gave us the ability to disobey him and then demanded that we never use this feature that we are incapable of turning off. That's either an incoherent narrative on the part of the believer or a major warning sign that the believer worships a mad god.
Human science can't yet define how the soul interacts with our physical brain, but that does not mean that the interaction is not there.
You have yet to demonstrate that we have a soul. You don't get to presuppose a vague, invisible component of human biology that is utterly undetectable yet vital. You have to present some kind of evidence first.
I do not presume to make judgements about Heaven until I get there!
You assume that you're going there and that it's a reward. You've already made judgements about it.
No - just free of the unavoidable consequences of material reactions, which allows us the freedom to choose rather than just react.
And now you're arguing against your own position that we have free will.
I do not think you understand how thoughts are initiated, driven and perceived by our spiritual soul.
And I do not think you understand that you do not get to start an argument from the position that you've already won it and thus needn't provide any evidence to back it.
I do not understand this myself,-
Bet you've got a stamp with those words on it.
-but it is just the way it is (not just the way it seems!).
Once again, you don't start an argument from a position of victory. You start an argument by making your argument .
God has made Himself known to all mankind in the form of Jesus Christ.
I must have slept through that because I never saw the guy.
I see it as man rejecting God rather than the other way round.
We ask for evidence, he provides none. We sought, he hid. If he exists, he rejects us.
"Human science can't yet define how the soul interacts with our physical brain, but that does not mean that the interaction is not there"
Human science can't define the force but that doesn't mean it's not real.
Dear Fundies,
Shouldn't God have killed the Devil when he betrayed God or told Adam and Eve to eat whatever the fruit was.
God sees all and knows all so he should've known from Satan's birth.
God sees all and knows all so he should know if people are going to be Atheists/Agonistics/Christian/Muslim/Any other religion even if its worshipping Greek Gods.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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