Look at the doube standard Ive noticed. When men are gay they claim they were born that way, they cant change it so they embrace it. But for women they claim its a choice, they choose to be gay because they had bad relationships ect. No, it all reality being gay is a choice, the thoughts are from satan and then he undermines you convictions by making you think "if I have these thoughts, I must be gay, I was born like this" but its not true, dont be fooled by the world. If people were born gay it wouldnt be a sin, but it clearly is.
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I have a family member who was nearly 40 before he finally accepted himself as gay, let alone admitted it to the rest of us. How does that make it a choice?
I have a female friend who endured years of alcoholism before she finally came to terms with being a lesbian. That self-acceptance led her to becoming clean and sober and she now leads a happy productive life.
No, it's not a choice.
You're full of B.S. I know several lesbians who admit to being lesbian their entire lives, as if they were *gasp* born that way. They don't reference any kind of trauma that changed their minds about their sexuality. The only people I hear making that claim are people who oppose homosexuality.
The only people that have any kind of choice are bisexuals, and even then, their choice is still limited in that people don't chose who they are attracted to or who they fall in love with.
Is tunnelhckrat's grammatical failures, including his total unawareness of the apostrophe, a choice?
How about his stupidity and hatefulness? Was he born that way?
Either way, I believe in "forgive or forget." I don't forgive him but I'm certainly willing to forget him.
tunnelhckrat, here are some consepts I would like to introduce you to:
I have several LGBT friends. The first one I met - at that time she thought herself straight - noticed that she was also attracted to women when she couldn't get a friend of her's out of her head. A few months later she told her best friend, who then kept poking her about doing someting about that with me overhearing that converstation. My friend felt clearly ashamed for a second, then I began poking her to do something to and flat out told her I didn't and would never care to what gender she was attracted to - simply because I really don't. Two weeks after that she told the girl she had a crush on, who told her that she was flattered but straight and hugged her. Later that year my now identifying as bisexual firend had a boyfriend, whith whom she broke up after just a few months because he started to annoy the piss out of her. Next year she had a girlfriend, with her she spent 2 years until they broke up, I never really asked why, it seemed like something too private to ask.just because one gender has an easier time experimenting with homosexual urges does not mean that it is a choice, it means that unfortunately the other gender will be discriminated more, because culture is streamlined around the sexuality of that gender's majority.
Being born gay is clearly a sin to whom? To a god who sits idly by whilst the religious hierarchy systematically rapes and tortures young boys and girls (being mainly predisposed to raping the former)?
Where does this despicable behaviour originate? One only has to consult the bible to find out where this heinous behaviour comes from as rape is clearly sanctioned by your "loving" and "caring" god. To quote: "God will kill men, have their children smashed, and have their wives raped (Isaiah 13:15-16); this being one of many rapes being sanctioned by the Lord. Judges 19 onwards features one of the most horrific rape and murder accounts I've come across in this dastardly "righteous" book.
So ask yourself a question; a couple in a loving same sex relationship versus rape against an innocent minor. Which, do you think, is really the problem that needs addressing?
I've never heard anyone claim (until now) that gay men were born gay and gay women chose to be. Are you sure you're not just pulling that idea out of your ass? Because I've only heard it claimed from conservative anti-gay people that the reason women become lesbians is because of prior bad relationships.
Even if that were true, it would be most likely because the woman hadn't come to terms with her sexuality and realized she prefers the company of women.
Utter bullshit!
I've had a few lousy relationships but I still never had the urge to make out with chicks. I once dated a guy that couldn't keep his hands to himself & had the IQ of an eggplant but I'm still the straightest woman you'll ever meet. And there are women that have endured far worse & are still straight.
Go back to watching Left Behind.
Who in the gay community ever said that being a lesbian is a choice?
Do you suppose fundies heads would explode if we ever explained to them that sexual orientation is actually a continuum with purely heterosexual on one side, purely homosexual on the other and various degrees of bisexuality in between?
For bisexuals, one can "choose" to be either exclusively heterosexual or exclusively homosexual but that doesn't change the sexual orientation.
And this comes from someone who has never met anyone who felt comfortable admitting that he or she was gay because he's a bigot. Sexual orientation is not a choice but it often takes a long while for a person to understand their own heart. Plus, even if it is a choice, what difference does that make? Following a religion is a choice but it is also a protected right. Same with owning a gun or voting. A free society is all about protecting the choices people make in their lives.
"Look at the doube standard Ive noticed."
You mean the one you just made up out of thin air? BOTH gay men and gay women claim they were born that way. Lesbians do not claim it was a choice, asshole.
Wouldnt be wrong if it was a choice.
Also, satan can't do shit. Hes trapped in hell with the other demons. Wrongness begins and ends with human free will, mostly.
So stop blaming satan and take responsibility.
Wait, what? It's not a choice for men, and it's not a choice for women. Sexual orientation is never a choice.
Don't get me wrong. Even if it was a choice, it is still none of your business.
Heh. Actually, it was a great relationship with a wonderful man I wished I could love that made me realize I was and never have been attracted to men. Sorry to burst your little bubble, but I was born a lesbian.
There are a few radfems who claim it's possible to choose to be lesbian and to have done so themselves. They call it 'political lesbianism'. But that's bullshit, really. Like gay fundamentalist Christians pretending to be straight and getting married, it's likely that most of said women are actually straight and only pretending to be gay due to overzealous adherence to an ideology.
@Grimsoncrow
Whether or not it is a choice doesn't matter to them, Christians still get a warm fuzzy feeling for discriminating and hating LGBTs. Just look at how they treated black people before that became socially unacceptable (and still do, just behind closed doors where they think we can't see).
If 'A' was true than my beliefs would be wrong, therefore 'A' cannot be true.
Infallible, airtight argument.
@UHM
tunnelhckrat, here are some consepts I would like to introduce you to:
2. Orthography, a.k.a. "spelling"
There were a couple of other errors as well. Maybe you should consider learning the "consept" of proofreading before criticizing others' ability to spell.
Uh... yeah, any woman who says she's gay by choice is just fooling herself.
Actually, I don't think that ever happens. I think you made that up.
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