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Unfortunately, all we have to do is look at the European countries that have sanctioned gay marriages to see where it will lead. In every one of them the marriage rate of heterosexual couples have declined drastically and the number of babies born out of wedlock (and therefore requiring tax-payer supported social services) have skyrocketed. As the institution is devalued, fewer are marrying and without stable families, the society as a whole will falter.

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old comment by Beeblebrox

In every one of them the marriage rate of heterosexual couples have declined drastically...

Right...obviously this is all the fault of the queers. After all it's not as if there was a 50% failure rate for marriages prior to gays being allowed to marry. F***ers like you get me so p***ed off that I just want to run out and turn gay on the spot. In fact, I'm going to divorce my wife of 12 years and get hooked up with the biggest, gayest, most flaming Fire Island papa bear I can find. Who wants to be my best man? Or would that be maid of honor?

...the number of babies born out of wedlock (and therefore requiring tax-payer supported social services) have skyrocketed.

Citation needed. While you're finding those statistics maybe you can explain to the rest of the class how the f*** gay people getting married causes a drastic rise in the single mother numbers. Oh, and just to clue you in, a goodly number of single mothers are working women who pay their own way through life. Way to display your (not so) unconscious bigotry.

As the institution is devalued, fewer are marrying and without stable families, the society as a whole will falter.

Citation needed. Please direct us to the relevant sociological studies that support your assertion. While you're at it you may want to investigate the ways that "family" has evolved over the last few centuries. Here in the 21st century, in the western world, the notion of family has expanded to include people and concepts it didn't contain previously. Please try to keep up with societal changes.

old comment by Jud

How about no?

Straight people don't make the decision whether or not to get married based on what Jonathan and Michael do.

They may be less religious to start with, though and therefore more tolerant of Jonathan and Michael and less likely to wed themselves because they're willing to define their own commitment. For a lot of non-religious people, marriage is simply not a necessity. Many of them believe that they should stay together because they want to be together, not because a piece of paper tells them to be.

Not every child of unmarried parents is reliant on social services. Don't be an idiot.

Not every child of unmarried parents grows up with only one parent raising them. Their parents are often still a couple, and, even if they do seperate at a later time, the father often remains involved.

So fuck off and MYOB.

old comment by Swede

We haven't had any special laws for children born out of wedlock since 1950. The gender neutral marriage law was introduced during 2009.

Marriage doesn't make the family more or less stable. It's just as easy to leave your spouse regardless of legal papers, you just open the door, walk through it and never return. That is all.

One of my siblings is married with two kids.
One of my siblings is unmarried with two kids.
All the kids receive the exact same amount of support from the tax-payers.
The two families are just as stable.
All the kids are born long before 2009, so the gender-neutral marriage law had nothing to do with either situation.

old comment by Anon-e-moose

"Unfortunately, all we have to do is look at the European countries that have sanctioned gay marriages to see where it will lead."

Yes. Peaceful, democratic and liberal societies. Post WWII, the EU is a great institution. Germany is a trading partner and a member of NATO (in any potential future conflict, you'll see Bundeswehr Leopard II tanks alongside UK Challenger IIs; and I still can't get my head around seeing ex-East German MiG-29s with Luftwaffe markings, post-reunification!).

And one of our newest members, the Czech Republic - according to surveys & polls conducted by the EU - is the least religious country in Europe. They had to deal with a Communist dictatorship after all, so based on that experience, post-USSR's fall, as far as they're concerned, religion has no right to tell them what to do.

They've certainly progressed. Democracy does that, you know.

Post WWII, we've done all right. As has Japan, post-WWII. Influenced greatly by the US. But has different values, certainly sexually.

So, what was that about 'society as a whole will falter' again, Unclaimed Treasure? Presumably living in the US, a society that faltered the last few years. Politically, diplomatically, militarily, financially, commercially, industrially and socially. Whilst being governed by the Fundamentalist Christian, George Dumbya Bush.

Your call, Unclaimed Treasure.

“In every one of them the marriage rate of heterosexual couples have declined drastically”
That word ‘rate’ is starting to sound alarms in my head every time.
What, exactly, do you mean by the marriage ‘rate’?
It could mean that of all the hetero couples in the country, fewer of those that would have gotten married went through with it.

But without actual numbers, it could also be that before legalizing same-sex marriage, heterosexual couples were 100% of the legal marriages, now they’re 80%, even if it’s the exact same number of hetero marriages.

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