In fact, I think that if every single human being followed the ten commandments, there would be no problems. Why? Because everyone would be the same religion and faith anyway and everyone would know what and what not to do.
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"and everyone would know what and what not to do."
This is the part that makes me think he's talking sense. I frequently find myself stopping in the middle of my day and thinking, "shit, am I allowed to eat people? If only I had something to refer to!"
well, technically everyone wouldn't necessarily be of the same religion simply for following the 10 commandments since they're cannon in a few different religions, not to mention the many many sects that make up those religions. You'd still all be fighting. The 10 commandments as religious rules are completely useless as human empathy and morality already encompasses the important ones (not praising idols and shit like that are worthless since they restrict people from doing benign things).
All comments on the hopeless inadequacy of the ten commandments aside, anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows that such a situation as Yaridovich describes is never going to happen, so his post is utterly useless.
I think if every single human followed Confucius's nine things of which great men must be mindful:
To see when they look
To hear when they listen
To be gentle in appearance
To be respectful in manners
To be faithful in words
To be earnest in service
To inquire when in doubt
To think when in anger
To be just when they have the advantage (I think the most important one)
Everyone would be much happier.
FSM has Eight Things I'd Rather you didn't do as well that are very insightful.
David, is adultery not only possible when one (or both) is married to some one else? Between unmarried people, homosexuality should just be a common variant of harlotery.
And nothing in (both sets of) the ten commandments forbids that.
Another question is: which ten commandents? Exodus 34:10-26 or Exodus 34:28?
Not everyone who follows the ten commandments shares the same religion.
Jews AND Christians have them, after all.
And there's a lot of really wrong, really fucked up shit that's not included in the 10C. There's no commandment "thou shalt not rape," nor is there a commandment "thou shalt not be a fundie dickweed."
I totally disagree with at least one of them.
Also, they're religious.
The secular parts have already been put in the US' law / constitution, but not enough people follow it.
....if every single human being followed the ten commandments, there would be no problems.
- You mean we'd all be Jewish?
Well, let's see.
1) No other gods - Religious propaganda
2) No Idols - What's the harm? Is your God Jealous?
3) A ban on free speech
4) Sabboth? Seriously, a day in which work is absolutely 100% forbidden, even picking up sticks for a fire? Yeah... that makes a lot of sense.
5) Honor Mom and Pa? What if they abuse me, physically or sexually, do I still have to 'honor' them?
6) Do not kill. Hey, a reasonable one! Wait... Christianity doesn't exactly have a good track record of following this one. Hmm.
7) No Adultery. Hmm. Let's see, this one I could see as a personal commitment, but it should not be codified into law.
8) No stealing. Fair enough. Around way before the Old Testament was written, but, fair enough, still.
9) No false witness against your neighbor. Don't lie about your neighbor. This one is vague, if taken literally, it means don't lie about your literal neighbor. Taken figuratively, neighbor could mean anyone, or may only mean members of your own sect. Ambiguity ruins this one. It should read 'Do not lie - unless you have to, to you know, hide the jews from the nazis.'
10) Do not covet - the dumbest commandment ever written. Our entire economy is based upon coveting.
Because everyone would be the same religion and faith anyway and everyone would know what and what not to do.
Because the ten commandments only belong to your fundie brand of Christianity and no other religions.
Oh, wait...
Jews, Christians, and Muslims all follow the 10 commandments.
At least to the extent that it's convenient
Decalogue, n. A series of commandments, ten in number -- just enough to permit an intelligent selection for observance, but not enough to embarrass the choice.
Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary
I just love the smell of fascism in the morning... Wait, no. I don't.
The idea that things would be peachy if we all just agreed on everything is the single most bloodstained idea in the history of the search for peace.
*ahem* 20K Christian denominations that we know of , along with Judaism, Mormonism, Unitarian-Universalism, Gnosticism, etc, etc, etc... all following the same Ten commandments.
What makes you think that six billion would agree any more than two billion?
"In fact, I think that if every single human being followed the ten commandments, there would be no problems."
And yet, the same God who laid out those rules, via said Ten Commandments, can't even keep to his own rules. Pick a page in the Old Testament - God fucks up.
Ergo the problems of fundamentalist religions. Especially right-wing Fundamentalist Christianity. QED.
Of course, you are so right! Because there has never been any struggle and violence between people who claim to follow these 10 commandments!
Other than the persecutions of the Jews throughout history, the schism between the Catholics and the Orthodox , the crusade against the Cathars, the reformation, the 30-Years-War, the troubles in Northern Ireland, the persecution of Catholics through the Church of England, the KKK’s hatred of “papists” (or Jews, for that matter, see above) and many, many others. But apart from that you are completely correct
Ah, so that's why there are no problems or troubles in Northern Ireland, or between Shia and Sunni Muslims, right?
Hint; there was a forty-year-long problem in Northern Ireland, called the Troubles. It wasn't just over religious squabbles, but also which country to belong to.
What do you do if your parents have other gods than God, or take his name in vain, can you really honor them then?
There isn't a god telling me that thou shalt not kill. That one comes from me knowing firsthand how devastating the fallout is for the friends and family of murder victims. Likewise, I don't steal stuff because then the owner will be deprived the use of whatever nice item you just took. Rape? How about the severe mental and physical trauma it can put on a woman for the rest of their lives plus the risk of pregnancy or disease as a grim reminder? Thinking about what happens to the other person and how severe the effects can be is what dictates my sense of right and wrong.
And why couldn't your god of the OT even follow ONE of his OWN commandments, you know, like that silly one that says "thou shalt not kill" again? And how, exactly, does "god told me it was ok" make it acceptable for humans? Oh, wait, maybe because even HE didn't follow it...
If even HE can't even be trusted to follow one of his own freaking commandments, how again do you expect humans to follow all ten of them?
Fine example, that god of yours. This is the acme of "kind, just, merciful, loving...." that you aspire to? FSM help us all...
"In fact, I think that if GOD HIMSELF followed HIS OWN FREAKING ten commandments, there would be no problems. "
That might be a good start.
And if 2000+ years ago he thought it was a good idea to have a couple of bears slaughter 42 kids making fun of an old man, where's he been? Why can't he come down here and kick some ass on some of the smart-ass punks in the world these days, not to mention people committing actual atrocities? Oh, I know, human atrocities pale in comparison to what he did (and commanded humans to do in his name when his "omnipotent" ass was apparently too lazy to do himself) in the OT.
And not everyone is satisfied with a simple ready-made list of rules and answers for everything. Especially when it cannot cover all situations, or turns out to contain errors, exposing its own failures. The same reason there are so many religions and law codes. And the same reason humans developed science. Besides, those particular commandments were adapted from a few older ones and were from a particular human tradition. You likely wouldn't want to also adopt the savagery of the Deuterononic code, or of older similar ones that influenced it, like that of Hammurabi. The statement appears to advocate forcing the conversion or elimination of whoever you consider heretic. According to your own version of whatever Abrahamic tradition you are advocating for. The same attitude that actually promotes and justifies conflicts and theocratic totalitarianism, etc. Nobody expects the inquisition...
Confused?
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