Calling Hitler a Christian. Hmm, let's see there's Pope John Paul II, Mother Theresa, Billy Graham, and Hitler.
Sometimes common sense is the best evidence of all.
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I think he's saying that Hitler is in good company?
Admittedly, none of them did anything quite as bad as having 12 million people killed, but at least they tried....
What he's saying is, he thinks Hitler can't have been a christian because Christians are, by his definition, always good people.
Classic case of working backwards from the answer you wanted to get.
Although, for the record, Mother Teresa was a scumbag.
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice
And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."
Adolf Hitler, 12 April 1922.
Seriously, I think Hitler was some kind of pagan but knew that he needed to pretend to be Christian to get people to follow him.
That's not much different from people like Tom DeLay who talk the talk but live as if they don't believe a word of it.
Actually some of us believe Billy Graham did a lot more for Billy Graham's pocket book out of God, than he ever did for God.PS Since they all claimed to be Christians and to some extent used their Christianity to gain notoriety, wealth, and power, I can see a certain similarity.
I think <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/fastsearch?order=date&IncludeBlogs=17&search=zombie+hitler "> Orac </a> has identified and named the Hitler fallacy as best as possible: Zombie Hitler.
On the whole christians are defined by their deeds thing, looks like I am hooked up, and so are the vast majority of the atheists, jews, muslims, pagans, agnostics, nihilists, and everyone else I know. Because they all be good peoples.
You know, there have been so many divisions and definitions of christianity and who is christian and who is save and who isn't, my soul must be shattered and scattered when I die and spread across a billion levels of alter-existence.
IMO Hitler was a Christian in that he seemed to beleive in God, Chrsit etc. But he also seemd to hold occult beleifs which may or may not have included Pagan beleifs (I don't know enough on the subject to say with certainty).
He was searching for the Spear of Destiny, which would imply he beleived in the devinity of Christ...ergo that would make him Christian in a loose definition of the term.
Sometimes common sense is the best evidence of all.
Sure. Common sense says Christians are people who believe in the divinity of Christ. It's the people who add other tests that they made up themselves, such as "sola scriptura", or adult baptism, or "KJ Bible only" who go against common sense.
Oliver Cromwell wasn't English, let's look at the evidence... Stephen Hawking, Charles Darwin, Oliver Cromwell, Alan Turing.
See ?? Common sense tells us he isn't English because he doesn't fit with those other people. I mean they're all Godless evolutionist homosexual bastards and Cromwell was a man of God.
Mother Theresa's actions in India were nothing short of evil.
For those of you who don't know, she diverted funds that were supposed to be used to construct hospitals and clinics and so on, and used them to proselytize to dying people.
For the record, Hitler was a Christian (The Nazis had their on particular flavor of Catholicism, but it was still Catholicism), but even if he wasn't, Germany was the most Christian nation at the time, so if even if Hitler wasn't a Christian himself, Christians in Germany had no problem with his Final solution. (NB: Christians in America didn't have a problem with it either.)
EDIT http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Aplank/Criticisms_of_Mother_Teresa
According to that site, she used stolen money to proselytize Catholicism to the dying. (She refused to return the money and pleaded for leniency for her sources.)
I haven't actually done much research on this topic, but you've got me interested now.
And following your logic, there is Mohammed Yunus(the guy who invented micro-loan)and Osama Bin Laden, the Burnamese Junta and Dalai Lama, Stalin and Mikis Theodorakis.............that's the problem of the non true Scotchman, in the opposite way.
Frank, everyone knows about the Crusades and the Inquisition but Christianity still somehow gets favorable reviews. Those damn Christians have a hell of a PR department.
Of course, killing everyone who speaks ill of your cult is a pretty good way to keep up the positive press, although so very few cults nowadays have the resources to pull it off. The Scientologists and the Moonies (they own the fucking Washington Times!) are making a good effort, though.
Mother Theresa worked tirelessly to promote herself as a force for good, plus the fact she was a nun auto-enrolls her for about a billion bonus points of positive zeitgeist courtesy of the aforementioned 'kill off your critics' strategy. Neither the fact that she warehoused the poor so they could suffer and die some place out of sight and pocketed the rest of the dough nor the fact that she publicly consorted with despots and torturers barely make a dent in her Nun-Aura-of-Goodness, at least to most people.
Pope John Paul II
And WTF is wrong with Oliver Cromwell (ignoring his breif collapse of concentration at Drogheda(? He was an excellent bloke most of the time.
@Anti-Goth
The "Spear of Destiny", to the best of my understanding, is the head of the spear that was allegedly driven into the Christian Jesus whilst he was nailed to the cross.
It is especially ironic that most Christians vilify the soldier that allegedly did this, as the wound would have been as merciful an act as the soldier could safely get away with. Y'see, crucifixion is a slow, agonizing death, your body becomes so heavy that fluid fills your lungs and you suffocate. By driving a spear into the chest and lungs of Jesus, the soldier would have enabled the liquid to drain, allowing a quicker, slightly less painful death.
"Calling Hitler a Christian. Hmm, let's see there's Pope John Paul II, Mother Theresa, Billy Graham, and Hitler.
Sometimes common sense is the best evidence of all."
Yep. Well said.
According to the tenets of your faith, all of the people you listed are sinners, and all of them are equally worthy of death and damnation. It is the grace of your god that nullifies their sins and gives them entry into heaven.
Seems like a silly idea to me, but we're discussing your beliefs, not mine.
calling Stalin an atheist? hmm, let's see there's Bill Gates, Carl Sagan, the Dalai Lama, and Stalin
sometimes having shit for logic is the best evidence of all.
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