4 Reasons against Evolution
1. NOT ENOUGH TIME
2. THERE IS NO ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT
3. NO ANIMALS DIED PRIOR TO THE FALL
4. JESUS BELIEVED IN CREATION - NOT EVOLUTION
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WEll done, AV1611VET, you have proved once and for all that your mind is stuck in 1611. Well, apart from the fact that people in 1611 were far more reasonable and logical than you.
All four points are total BS, of course, but I was wondering about point #3, "No animals died before the fall."
1.Ah, so you appreciate that evolution occurs over a very long time span, and (as there is evidence for this process) the bibble's time-piece must be inaccurate. Excellent.If this is true (and obviously it requires the total suspension of logic and reasoning), why would any animals have been required to reproduce? Was god just stock-piling?
4. We all believe what our dad's tell us, until we grow up and think for ourselves.
"4 Reasons against EvolutionUh huh. "Using the Bible to calculate time" is your problem. The Bible is unreliable source material.
"2. THERE IS NO ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT
*Genesis 1:31 - And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day."
So, you contend that everything is perfect? Even if what you say is true, there is room for improvement over "very good." How 'bout excellent or perfect?
"3. NO ANIMALS DIED PRIOR TO THE FALL
*Romans 5:12 - Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:"
The stories in Genesis are fiction. Original sin is a fiction and a truly bad facet of Xian theology. And, as I mentioned earlier, the Bible is unreliable source material.
"4. JESUS BELIEVED IN CREATION - NOT EVOLUTION
*Mark 10:6 - But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female."
The biblical Jesus is a fictional character. That the persons who wrote what Jesus supposedly said did not mention the ToE is because the ToE hadn't been developed at their time.
and if there's no room for improvment, then explain the appendix. Explain why 60-80% of humans suffer back pain.
Reasons why I don´t like fundyism, THE BIBLE IS A RELIGIOUS BOOK, NOT SCIENTIFIC. And Jesus couldn´t believe in a theory which didn´t exist at the moment. What he meant on that sentence is that it was his idea of marriage. PERIOD.
3. NO ANIMALS DIED PRIOR TO THE FALL
Is he admitting that humans are animals?
image 1. NOT ENOUGH TIME
*Using the Bible to calculate time, one concludes that the earth has gone around the sun roughly 6100 times. This is much too short a timespan for evolution to have occurred.
Even ignoring the stupidity of relying on the Babble for scientific matters, you're wrong: bacterias, fruit flies, etc. 'nuff said.
"Using the Bible to calculate time, one concludes that the earth has gone around the sun roughly 6100 times."
Exactly, prove it without a literal interpretation of the Bible, or better yet, without referring to it at all.
Point-by-point refutation, from a Christian viewpoint as well:MEN , for that all have sinned
Note that it says "men." Not "all life."
4. Jesus didn't say anything related to evolution in this passage. Simply saying that God created life does not invalidate evolution.
What is with you people being squeamish about point #4?
Correct! If you accept the Bible as 100% accurate and true, then evolution is, in fact, a huge steaming pile of dino crap.
Further in the thread:
If there was no death prior to the fall, then why does the Bible say: Gen. 3:22 "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
"And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good."
"Gen. 3:22 "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:"us "?? Am I missing something here? Who's "us"?
"4 Reasons against EvolutionYes... but using the bible to calculate time is like using snowflakes to build a bonfire, you imbecile!
2. THERE IS NO ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT
*Genesis 1:31 - And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Your brain has a great big sign stating "Room For Improvement"... Or maybe "Vacant Lot".
3. NO ANIMALS DIED PRIOR TO THE FALL
*Romans 5:12 - Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Uhhh, didn't original sin apply strictly to mankind? So why did other animals have to snuff it after the fall?
4. JESUS BELIEVED IN CREATION - NOT EVOLUTION
*Mark 10:6 - But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female."
Well, Jesus was wrong... what's your point?.
One reason against evolution:
Evidence, please. And "teh Bible says so and it's the word of God because it says it is" does not count.
"Gen. 3:22 "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:"us "?? Am I missing something here? Who's "us"?
You have a point there! =o Was gawd hanging around with his buddy satan at the time or something?...
And with #3: Does this mean that Adam and Eve were originally vegetarian? Then why do the religious love to try and tell me "Gawd put animals here for us to eat" ? Clearly Adam and Eve didn't kill anything. If they are to be a model of how humans should be, there should be a lot less people going to mcdonalds in this country....
Aside from all the other problems, re:2. THERE IS NO ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT
How do these people explain, say, pedigree dog breeding? I get that evolution happens too slowly for the fundies to notice, but you can breed a new type of dog, cat, rabbit, flower etc within a decade.
Labradoodles, for instance, were created about 40 years ago. Plenty of people alive today can remember a time when there were no labradoodles. Would AV1611VET argue that the Garden of Eden was full of happy, gambolling labradoodles?
1. Using the Bible to calculate time is a dumb idea. Take the seven "days" of Earth's creation. The original Hebrew word that we changed to "day" was yom. This word can refer to any finite expanse of time, whether the actual duration is known or not. As long as you're not talking about forever (or never), yom applies. This means that the seven stages in which God created the Earth could have been 30 seconds, or a billion years.
jrm: I have worked in several libraries, and I have never seen the Bible situated in any section but that set aside for works pertaining to religious beliefs -- ALL religious beliefs, regardless of relative merits of their claims of veracity.
ok, so, why do these fundies always think that the bible was written by god and not just a bunch of dudes. why are these dudes correct and scientists who study the earth and space not? uh, what?
4 Reasons against Evolution 29 Examples of Evolution
I win.
1. NOT ENOUGH TIME
*Using the Bible to calculate time, one concludes that the earth has gone around the sun roughly 6100 times. This is much too short a timespan for evolution to have occurred.
Using reality, however, gives us a figure of about 1 billion years since life first appeared. That's more than enough time.
2. THERE IS NO ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT
*Genesis 1:31 - And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
1. Your Babble is bullshit.
2. If that verse were true, then there would be no need for Jesus. Why does he need to die if everything is already the best that can be? Your bibble just contradicted itself.
3. Evolution is not about "improvement." An organism best adapted to its environment will leave more offspring than those less well adapted and its traits will become more common. Mutations produce many small random changes (you have about 30), natural selection will make some more common, and these repeated small changes eventually add up to big changes. At no point, however, will any species be "higher" or "lower" than another; evolution just doesn't work that way.
3. NO ANIMALS DIED PRIOR TO THE FALL
*Romans 5:12 - Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Is the Bible a peer-reviewed scientific journal? I didn't think so.
Anyway, animals (people included) most certainly did die before the Fall. Death is a fact of life; unless you're an eternal (not counting, for example, an individual dæmen), you will die. Long before the gods were manufactued, even before the Order of Kysine was officially chartered, people died. The Kysines trying to offset the Fall died! Eventually, the gods themselves died, except for the Lilayeneh goddess who was hidden away in storage. Of course, the wars between powerful empires using gods as weapons did lead to the deaths of many people and the destruction of half the galaxy (known as the Fall), but that certainly wasn't the first time people died; hundreds of the Baron Makir's men died defending their country against the expanding Haman empire, thousands of Haman soldiers were killed by Twinnery guerillas before they retreated, millions of people were killed in the Seberan empire's brutal expansion, the Lilayeneh were killed by the Evka, the khani killed the laki within the Etivken empire itself, and the native people of Kassihaagen were systematically killed by the Ube invaders long before the Haman empire was first created. And, of course, even people who weren't murdered died eventually.
Oh, right, the citation. It's from Appendix B, Order of Lilayeneh, the book I'm writing. It's just as accurate and as valid as yours.
4. JESUS BELIEVED IN CREATION - NOT EVOLUTION
*Mark 10:6 - But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
Duh! Jesus died centuries before Darwin was born! Of course he didn't know about evolution! Back then, plenty of people didn't even know the Earth was round!
Of course, that's assuming Jesus ever existed; there's some evidence to the contrary.
4 reasons against creationism:
1) The earth has to be much older than 6000 years. Darwin explains this must be true for evolution to work.
2) The earth's creatures are constantly changing. Know why? 'Cause Darwin explained this in the Origin of Species.
3) Darwin's book, The Origin of Species, explains that there was no Fall of Humanity as explained in Genesis. It must be true!
4) According to his book, Darwin believed in evolution. And for God sakes he's DARWIN!
4 Reasons against Creationism
1. TOO MUCH TIME
2. TOO MUCH ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT
3. ANIMALS DIED BEFORE THE FALL
4. JESUS BELIEVED IN CREATION - NOT EVOLUTION
Where is the tangible proofs for these reasons? Where is the carbon dating, or equivalents, to tell the earth is just 6100 years old? Science have evidence of things being very much older than that. Just cause an old book with stories, that was first spread by word of mouth, say so, it is not reliable enough to be evidence.
Evolution happens all the time, every day, every minute. Some mutation occur which makes that individual more prosperous than its fellow species mates.
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