[From a long and uninformed post about how vaccinations cause disease.]
It is common modern practice to vaccinate children beginning in infancy, supposedly to protect them against a variety of diseases which "threaten" mankind. In truth, however, it is these very vaccines that are threatening the health and genetic integrity of the human race. Before the advent of vaccines, many childhood diseases such as measles, mumps and whooping cough were adequately handled by the immune systems of children raised in a drugless society. It was not until the beginning of mass immunization of children in the 1950’s that these same diseases appeared to cause grave injury or death. In fact, in 1950, before routine vaccinations became a reality, the United States had the third lowest infant mortality rate in the world. By 1986, the U.S. infant mortality rate dropped to 17th place and by 1995 the U.S. had fallen further to 24th place.
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Doesn't seem too fundie to me. Dumb none the less. There isn't much thimerosal in vaccines these days, and the MMR accusation was bull. There's hard immunity, but that's not the vaccine itself causing the disease. Unless there's an allergic reaction, the potential for the disease itself being caused is trivial at best.
Oh, and your entire post is complete bullshit and saturated with lies, btw.
Talk to anyone in the U.S. who grew up with the threat of polio. My parents are still terrified of it, and consider the polio vaccine one of the great triumphs of science. I saw the misery of polio first-hand during a polio outbreak in Trinidad in the '70s. Rows of hospital beds with crippled children. Mike, take your idiocy and shove it back up your ass.
Shut up you uninformed asshat.
Do a little research. Before the advent of vaccines, children died of childhood diseases at much higher rates than they do now.
A very small, small percentage of children suffer from reactions to vaccines. Sad, and an individual tragedy, but in societal terms, worth the risk.
I DO support YOUR right to have polio and diptheria, though.
Classic: He says that we went from having the 3rd-lowest infant mortality rate to the 17th-lowest and then 24th-lowest; at least, that's how I interpret what he meant.
Of course, even if he is correct in this, the thought that this might be because other countries (especially in postwar Europe) might be catching up to and even improving on American success doesn't even occur to him. Just because the U.S. slides back in relative position to other nations doesn't mean anything; what's important is the mortality rate per capita itself over time, and he doesn't address that.
~David D.G.
Before the advent of vaccines, many childhood diseases such as measles, mumps and whooping cough were adequately handled by the immune systems of children raised in a drugless society.
Yes, if by "Adequately" you mean "poorly."
Alternative bizarro universe or tinfoil, what do you think?. Man, ask my grandmother, who lived at the time, and she will tell you how much "damage" caused in the kids.
Maybe the US decline has something to do with the fact that other first-world countries provide health care to everyone, not just for the minority of people who work for major corporations with health benefits or can afford the $500 or so a month for their own policy.
Thanks to vaccine, polio has been effectively wiped out in the US. Many US children don't even know what measles are anymore, whereas anyone over 50 probably had the disease. Most people survive measles, mumps and whooping cough, but that doesn't make them benign diseases best left to one's own immune system.
You know, this one doesn't seem so bad. His stats are off, but I can see the logic in his statement that medicine inhibits the immune system and all that jazz. My pediatrician told the same thing to my mother when she kept trying to give me medicine for every little cough as an infant 'cause she didn't know better.
No, no, no, no, no, no, and no.
I don't know where to actually begin refuting this, but it sure is dumb (If not fundie.)
"You know, this one doesn't seem so bad. His stats are off, but I can see the logic in his statement that medicine inhibits the immune system and all that jazz. My pediatrician told the same thing to my mother when she kept trying to give me medicine for every little cough as an infant 'cause she didn't know better."
Vaccines work by stimulating the immune system. This is quite different from the recent phenomenon of antibiotic-resistant strains of bacteria developing.
Well the rates of childhood illnesses
actually began to drop dramatically BEFORE vaccines began to become available for them.This had to do however, with the dramatic RISE in hygienic behavior and the institution
of proper nutritional standards.Which was being implimented by the government about a decade before the vaccines started rolling out.
Obviously, proper hygiene and nutritional intake, both of which are proven to dramatically reduced disease and disability across the life-stage spectrum by up to 90%, will never be
as sexy (or as profitable) as vaccines,
antibiotics or other drugs.
Vaccines work by stimulating the immune system. This is quite different from the recent phenomenon of antibiotic-resistant strains of bacteria developing.
To understand how vaccines work you need to understand how antibodies work too. Antibodies can only attach themselves to the specific antigens of a virus. Vaccines help created antibodies to fight off bacteria that you can't get from your mother, because she also didn't have those antibodies. The immune system does create a new type of antibody each time a new virus is encountered, but it takes a while and with some diseases, it's not fast enough. Vaccines are like a preemtive strike.
Uh? Looks like there a two Adrians on FSTDT now...
Of course, even if he is correct in this, the thought that this might be because other countries (especially in postwar Europe) might be catching up to and even improving on American success doesn't even occur to him. Just because the U.S. slides back in relative position to other nations doesn't mean anything; what's important is the mortality rate per capita itself over time, and he doesn't address that.
Indeed. Or in other words,
STATISTICS DON'T WORK THAT WAY! [/Morbo]
Well then lets just go back to excorcising demons then, shall we? That is pretty effective so long as you get ahold of the son of god, while he's here, and while he is in the last two years of his life, because apparently he didn't do jackshit before that. As long as you have a time machine DeLorean, plenty of plutonium and a flux capacitor, you don't need a vaccine!
Bless you mike for getting to the bottom of all this pointless vaccinating. It's obviously the debble!
Well, here is the answer: The post was copied from Terri L. Saunders, and at the bottom, we find
Terri L. Saunders is an Herbalist and Certified Natural Health Professional
That's right, folks. Just eat lightly steamed vegetables, get your coffee enemas (because the lightly steamed vegetable diet messes up your digestive system), and never touch anything artificial, and you will live forever with no diseases! If you get yourself on the right diet (lightly steamed vegetables, again), we can cure cancer! And this explains why the average life expectancy now that we have modern medicine instead of herbal quackery is so much lower than it was hundreds or thousands of years ago. I'm surprised he didn't blame aspergers/autism on vaccines, too.
Boy, this really goes against the grain, but I'm tempted to make a factual post. Do you know that the variola virus (smallpox) killed 300 million in the 20th Century alone? Now what was it, exactly, that made a disease like that disappear?
It is common modern practice to vaccinate children beginning in infancy, supposedly to protect them against a variety of diseases which "threaten" mankind. In truth, however, it is these very vaccines that are threatening the health and genetic integrity of the human race. Before the advent of vaccines, many childhood diseases such as measles, mumps and whooping cough were adequately handled by the immune systems of children raised in a drugless society. It was not until the beginning of mass immunization of children in the 1950’s that these same diseases appeared to cause grave injury or death.
...WHAT?? GB2SKOOL, PLZ
Of course, he's probably another homeschoolie.
Yes, measles, mumps and whooping cough were being so successfully fought off, we decided to start injecting ourselves to prevent those diseases.
Mass vaccinations also started in other countries after 1950. A couple of deadly diseases were all but erradicated, which reduced infant mortality rates in the whole world. The world caught up with America, stupid, America didn't increase its rate.
Now, after many anti-vaxers have stopped vaccinating their kids, the erradicated diseases have returned, and infant mortality rates are increasing again. THAT is what's threatening mankind, stupid.
Confused?
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