[Will God hear the prayers of those that already are in heaven?
Many families include believers and non-believers. It is only natural to assume the believers will never give up praying for their beloved family members who didn't believe and are in hell.]
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"You assume incorrectly. Those of us who go to heaven will have no memory of those in hell."
Cite the verse that says this. If you can't you're adding to your Wholly Babble which, as another verse you're likely unaware of states, is a big no-no.
Sounds like a moral dodge -- because if people in heaven did remember that other people are suffering eternally, this would make their joyous celebration (or whatever it is that they're supposed to be doing in heaven) unspeakably evil in its lack of basic empathy.
If there's a heaven and a hell, hell is the only morally defensible place to go.
Eh, it's not as bad as some I've seen.
A lot of the RR crowd seem to think that when they get to Heaven, they'll 'realise' what a wonderful thing it is that their ex-loved ones are in Hell, and actually be overjoyed to know that their relatives are suffering the eternal torment they allegedly deserve.
"You assume incorrectly. Those of us who go to heaven will have no memory of those in hell"
You assume you know what will happen in heaven. Even if heaven exists, you have nothing upon which to base the assertion that those in heaven will or will not have any memories.
A (Potter's House) fundie once told me that when he gets to heaven, he won't remember his life on Earth, his god would erase his memory. I replied, does it work the other way around, those in hell would have no memories of their lives also, because that would mean those in his hell would be tortured forever and saying WTF did I do to deserve this? I don't remember his reply, probably because it didn't make any sense.
Well, this actually makes sense. Either that or god will just remove peoples feelings of empathy in heaven. Otherwise, how could all the people enjoy heaven? Awfully evil, still.
The sanctimonious bullshit of they who profess to know, yet know no more that you.
This is what I learned in church as a kid. In my church this also applied to those who haven't died and gone to heaven yet. Apparently some (relatively) clever Protestant said, "How can we be perfectly happy in heaven if we miss the people we love and feel bad for the people in Hell?" and some (also relatively) quick-thinking Protestant reached into his ass and pulled out, "Oh, God won't let us remember them." This was the official story at my grandpa's funeral, too. The pastor said my grandpa was "walking down the streets of gold" with my cousin who had died the year before, but they wouldn't remember any of us until we got to heaven, too. (The pastor then added, "And he's whistling--Bud loved to whistle." I managed to be polite enough not to laugh out loud, if only for my grandma's sake.) So yes, Illuminatie and others, they make a lot of this crap up on the spot when the inconsistencies are too glaring for even Christians to ignore. I never heard any of them claim this was actually in the Bible, but it was taught as fact, not conjecture.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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