On the Bible, there is no evidence in any of your edits here to support your statement. I've never known an evolutionist who read the Bible. In fact, the main practical significance of the someone believing in evolution seems to be this: he doesn't read the Bible again. I'm happy to be proven wrong.
You list yourself as an "agnostic" here, yet 100% of your edits here have been of an atheistic nature. An agnostic, if fair-minded, should be at least 50% Bible-based and 50% atheistic-based. What percentage of your time do you spend reading a Bible, if I may ask?
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"An agnostic, if fair-minded, should be at least 50% Bible-based and 50% atheistic-based"
You know, there are other religions out there, other than yours; it isn't just a choice between your god or nothing, although I appreciate that you don't quite understand that.
"I've never known an evolutionist who read the Bible."
Franscico Ayala, evolutionary biologist, ordained priest and chairman of the AAAS.
I know the Bible better than you and I'm an atheist. (PS: Do you shave? How about polyester, wear any?)
It'S a rule of the thumb really... We atheists (and evolutionists, oh my god.) know the bible better than christians.
By the way, if you want official people with PhDs, I believe PZ Myers has read the bible too.
I've never known an evolutionist who read the Bible.
Either you're that sheltered, in which case your opinion is worthless, or you're lying for the Lord, in which case your opinion is worthless.
@Quantum Mechanic: "Evolutionist isn't a word."
Yes it is.
"To the evolutionist it is clear that TTSS components were commandeered for a new, but not wholly unrelated, function" -- R. Dawkins, The God Delusion
"No evolutionist - and certainly not Darwin - ever argued that natural selection is based on chance" -- Jerry Coyne, Why Evolution is True .
"Which triplets code for which amino acids? Also - more interesting to an evolutionist - is the code the same for all organisms?" - John Maynard-Smith, The Theory of Evolution .
Ernst Mayr, Toward a New Philosophy of Biology: Observations of an Evolutionist .
@Quantum Mechanic: "Dr. James J. McCarthy of Harvard University is chair of AAAS."
Okay, I worded that badly, former chair (and President ).
You are proven wrong as I, an atheist "evolutionist," read the Bible frequently. Hope you're still happy.
[I've never known an evolutionist who read the Bible.]
Ken Miller, for one. Charles Darwin, for another.
[In fact, the main practical significance of the someone believing in evolution seems to be this: he doesn't read the Bible again.]
See above.
[I'm happy to be proven wrong.]
Bullshit.
[An agnostic, if fair-minded, should be at least 50% Bible-based and 50% atheistic-based.]
Wrong again, Andy.
I don't know what an "evolutionist" is supposed to be, but I understand & accept basic evolutionary theory and have read (most of) the bible. I don't understand what reading it again is supposed to do for anyone, except maybe reaffirm the fact that it's a bunch of nonsense.
Andy seems to be another one of these Christians who think that no atheists have ever read the bible, but if they did they'd automatically convert. And he seems to misunderstand what "agnostic" really means.
FAIL. Many Christians have read the Bible and still think that evolution is more likely than creationism. Want proof? My close family is Catholic but they all think that evolution is far more likely.
And for the record, agnostics don't follow any particular religion. From what I understand, they simply believe that there's a higher power out there, but haven't made up their minds about the specifics and many don't care to. A number of them are also in the process of learning about many religions and deciding which one(s) best matches their own personal beliefs before settling on one religion.
No, Andy, you are not happy to be proven wrong. You hate being wrong and you hate it even more when people take note of it.
By the way, I think evolution happened. My parents made me memorize entire books of the bible. I have almost the entire new testament memorized and my favorite book of the bible is Job. So. Here's to you being proven wrong.
Well, Pope John Paul II had no problem with evolution and considered the issue irrelevant to the faith. Are you suggesting the Pope never read the Bible?
An agnostic, if fair-minded, should be at least 50% Bible-based and 50% atheistic-based.
Why? A person can believe in God and still think the Bible is just a bunch of nonsense invented by bronze age Arab goat herders. "Agnostic" means unsure of the existence of God, not unsure of the Christian version - or in the case of most Conservapedians, the redneck Baptist version - of God.
Why would anyone half-way sane stick around and still try contributing to Conservapedia?
Don't get me wrong, you can be right-wing and atheist but Conservapedia is nothing of the sort, it's pure fundie.
Andy seems to be laboring under the misconception that an agnostic is a fence sitter.
1. Andy clearly forgets that there are other religions than Christianity in the world.
2. Bibles, to non-Christians of all types, are just another book.
3. For someone who claims to worship YHWH, Andy sure does spend a lot of time worshiping a book. It's like buying a new supercomputer, and then spending all your time obsessing over the manual.
I've read almost the entire Bible, Andy. In fact, I can quote quite a bit of your holy text. Quite a few passages you would find rather shocking.
Also, a "fair-minded" agnostic would not be 50% Bible-based. Other religions exist, Andy. A "fair-minded" agnostic would look at EVERY religious text ON EARTH.
An agnostic, if fair-minded, should be at least 50% Bible-based and 50% atheistic-based.
THAT IS NOT HOW AGNOSTICISM WORKS
(Also I like how in Andy's world, there's only "Bible" and "atheist." No other religions exist apparently....)
You have no idea what an agnostic is, do you?
Do research before talking out your ass, Andy.
Sigh...
There is no such thing as "just an agnostic", ffs.
If you're agnostic, you're still either a theist or an atheist. There is no middle ground between believing and not believing. You can't not believe while also not not believing, just as you can't not collect stamps while simultaneously not not collecting stamps. It's one or the other.
An agnostic is not a turncoat. He or she doubts the existence of any gods, not just the Abrahamic ones. As there are hundreds, maybe thousands, of gods*, not even one percent should be Bible-based.
I open the Bible maybe once a week, mostly while reading stupid stuff here, to check the source of the stupidity. I know most of the St Luke Gospel by heart, because a teacher I had in fourth and fifth grades thought you should learn stuff by heart. (I often recite it to myself when I can't fall asleep, so it IS useful to me.)
* Whether they are real or just figments of someone's imagination, that is up for speculation.
"Nothing in Biology Makes Sense Except in the Light of Evolution"
Usually Agnostics (used to claim that title myself then just settled on the reality that I was always an Atheist) Say they just don't know. It's safer but that doubt usually gives them the ideal you can be converted.
Agnostics wouldn't use Biblical claims either. Usually they claim they don't know about any God's existance but will state they don't believe the Bible or other 'holy' texts. Their not indoctrinated so won't argue for the Bible. And not having the faith they won't ignore the contradictions and just plain wrong parts of the Bible.
I think Schlfly's trying to claim it would only be logical for Agnostics to be Christians half the time. Logic's not his forte'. If you want someone who's Christian half the time, talk to Christians.
"What percentage of your time do you spend reading a Bible, if I may ask?"
And what percentage of your time do you spend reading any book other than the Bible, Andy Schaftafly? Would these include "On the Origin of Species" by Charles Darwin, "A Brief History of Time" by Prof. Stephen Hawking, and "The God Delusion" & "The Greatest Show on Earth: The Evidence for Evolution" by Richard Dawkins, hmmmmmmmm?
Y'know, there's places where they base everything they think about, as well as all their education, on a single book. No libraries filled with myriad tomes containing the priceless treasure called Knowledge waiting for young minds wanting to be filled with objective, evidence-based facts for them. No, the only book they have is the Quran. These places are found in parts of Pakistan and Afghanistan.
They're called Madrassas. And they're fertile breeding grounds of not only cannon-, but IED- and suicide bomber-fodder for the Taliban and Al-Qaeda.
Two Words, Andy: "Jesus Camp"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Camp
Just sayin'.
"I've never known an evolutionist who read the Bible."
I've never known a Christian who has either. I personally can't get past the first few verses of Genesis before the sheer stupidity of it all begins to make my brain melt.
What's your excuse for not reading it, Andy?
"You list yourself as an "agnostic" here, yet 100% of your edits here have been of an atheistic nature. An agnostic, if fair-minded, should be at least 50% Bible-based and 50% atheistic-based."
Uh, no. Doesn't work that way.
"What percentage of your time do you spend reading a Bible, if I may ask?"
As much, if not more, than you do would be my bet.
"I've never known an evolutionist who read the Bible."
I do. I see him every morning, when I look in the mirror.
"I've never known an evolutionist who read the Bible."
You don't know many people who acknowledge the facts about evolution, do you? Or ws that obvious?
"I've never known an evolutionist who read the Bible"
I have. Not only as in I've met Evolutionists who've read the Bible, but also the fact I, an Evolutionist, have read it too. So has Richard Dawkins, similarly. Argument destroyed much, Andy Schaftafly?
A fundie, if fair-minded, should be at least 50% Bible-based and 50% atheistic-based. What percentage of your time do you spend reading "The God Delusion" and "The Greatest Show On Earth: The Evidence For Evolution", if I may ask, Andy?
You're clueless. Open your mind. Right-wing hypocrite. Dawkinsspeed.
I'm an Atheist and yes, I have read the Bible. Maybe you should give it a try, Andy?
Also, there are other theistic religions so you really fail with your 50/50 "logic"
@ Jewsus
"Sad thing is this guy is apparently a Harvard-educated lawyer... WTF"
Well, Jesus did warn his followers to be wary of legalists and scholars.
Andy, please look up "agnostic" in the dictionary.
Yeah, you see, most atheists are agnostic. While agnostics don't have to be atheists (you can be a Christian agnostic if you recognize that God cannot be proven to exist), they have a tendency to be atheists.
Wait, isn’t Andy a Catholic? He does know that the Catholic Church accepts not only the ToE and astrophysics, but has its own scientists and large telescopes, doesn’t he? As far as I know one is even in the middle of the bloody Vatican!
Is he really saying that the Pope and the whole Catholic clergy never read the Bible?
PS: For those who said they couldn’t finish reading the Bible, I can recommend “The Book Of Genesis, Illustrated By Robert Crumb”. He stays true to the text, but in combination with his distinct drawing style it gets a rather bizarre (and trippy) effect.
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