If there is nothing wrong with homosexual sex, is there anything wrong with bestiality? But animals can't consent you say (neither do they consent to being butchered so you can have your hamburger, but oh well) What if an animal such as a dog engaged in behavior that indicated consent? For instance, I have a friend who's dog tries to hump her everytime she is on her period by thrusting around her crotch and legs. I kid you not. So would it be wrong if they made doggie love?
What does homosexuality and bestiality have anything to do each other? You see, many find homosexuality as "unnatural" and immoral for reasons such as there is absolutely no procreative value and their certain body parts are not biologically compatible. What are your reasons for thinking it would be wrong for my friend to make doggie love with her consenting dog, assuming you do think it is wrong?
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When it comes to sex, you can screw whatever you want, whenever you want, but if it's another person, they need to be a consenting adult . Either way, I don't want to hear about it.
Fundies, please: STOP with the bestiality/homosexuality comparison. It makes no sense, it hurts your case, and it makes you all look like a pack of deviants.
A dog humping a human leg does not consent make.
Animal behaviour can't be measured by human standards. Animals don't consent to sex because, whatever they do, they do it by instinct, and more often than not it's for procreative reasons or bonding within their own group. So, they can't rape, for example, they can't get "married", they can't live a life of celibacy.............and of course, you'll never hear a horse having sex with a duck. What the dog does is not an invitation to sex, let alone in the menstrual phase, when the woman is in the least procreative period. What he might be perceiving is a change of humor in the owner and, instinctively, wants to comfort her. But I insist, it's not sex what it's asking for. And concerning butchering, well, does a lion ask you for consent when he's on the verge of eating you?. That's the key difference. The difference is that homosexuality deals with people, and that's why ethics prevail.
Besides, It would be very nice to know how an animal can be sexually arosed by a human. Let me tell you that animals, unlike humans, do it when absolutely necessary. I will put it this way, if a dog has made love with its counterpart in the reproductive period, you can show him the most incredible female dog in the world. Trust me, it will despise it. Most important, as we've got an anomalous summer in Europe, a friend of mine who's working in Dublin zoo has told me that animals have a very strange sexual behaviour because of the strange temperatures we're having. You see?, humans are not conditioned by that to make love.
Vendetta seems to have a fascination with bestiality.
Dogs are not considered sentient legally, except when they kill someone.
So, yeah, there is a pretty large fence on that freaking slippery slope there.
it worries me just how much time fundies spend thinking about sex.
Now I know it twitches through most men's minds quite frequently, but rarely in the depth this weirdo has spent trying to justify a prejudice.
"there is absolutely no procreative value"
There's actually no procreative value to most heterosexual sex. Women can only get pregnant at certain times. Unless you make sure that you are only ever having sex at those times, is the sex you have at any other time unnatural and immoral??? You ain't gonna conceive, so presumably the answer is yes. You dirty, disgusting, sinful heterosexuals!
"Implication" of consent is not legal. If a woman walked up to me and ripped all her clothes off, barring the fact that I'm a minor for the sake of the argument, I STILL couldn't legally have sex with her until she said she wanted to have sex! That's not consentual beastiality. That's rape. And beastiality. There will never be such a thing as consentual beastiality, going off of the legal system Fundies are afraid will allow it. So please, calmly but quickly, STOP BEING PARANOID, DAMN YOU! That will be all.
"But animals can't consent you say (neither do they consent to being butchered so you can have your hamburger, but oh well)"
You don't rape your dog in the same way you don't beat it, starve it, neglect it, etc. The animals we do kill for food have a right to a humane death. Raping an animal is a form of torturing it and is therefore inhumane and hence illegal.
What's so "immoral" about homosexuality? There's no big difference, really. Heterosexuals can have oral and anal sex, too. The missionary is just one of many, many, many ways to have sex. A threesome is just as "unnatural", are they also abominations?
Biologically compatible? Doesn't the penis fit just as fine in the anal, as it does in the vagina, or in the mouth?
Those of us who can't procreate, are we not allowed to have sex at all, or what? Who's to enforce that law?
As several others pointed out, the dog acts on instinct. That's why it's still rape, because the dog is incapable of giving consent, and that's why it's wrong.
If there were another species as intelligent and aware as a human able to give consent, whilst that might be still rather weird, it would not be illegal to have sex with it. However, no member of the animal kingdom currently qualifies.
Therefore, bestiality is not okay, homosexual sex is fine because it is between two consenting human adults.
Buttsexx(tm) is not strictly a homosexual activity.
An animal really cant give meaningful consent. Ask a cow if it wants to be butchered and tell it to say mooo for yes.
A mans penis is designed to go into a roughly circular hole. Your anus is roughly circular. Gods grand design meant to include Buttsexx(tm)
There is no procreative value in humping a pregnant woman, or one who is having her period, or a woman on birth control , or who has gone through menopause. Do you claim no Christian does any of those things. ?
If a woman wants to do her doberman, and the dog shows consent, and it doesnt bite, and you dont mind being stuck together by the knot then go right ahead. Except I think its illegal most places.
Oh, I see what you did there.
You can't think of a legitimate argument against gay sex, so you try and turn the discussion to one about bestiality hoping that listener's disgust will rub off onto their attitudes about gay-sex. Come back when you are ready to discuss the topic at hand, 'kay?
"What does homosexuality and bestiality have anything to do each other?"
Indeed. Just as what does homosexuality and fundie religions have anything to do with each other? And doesn't your Bible forbid busybodies? (Timothy 5:12-13)
...oh, and Ted Faggard:
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Your argument is invalid.
As for the 'hamburger' analogy/non-sequitur: opposable thumbs, and higher brain functions. Your argument is invalid II.
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