We need a Netanyahu here. Can you imagine all these – yes, sometimes Palestinian kids get killed. That’s because they are, they’re associated with a terrorist organization that is harming Israel, and Netanyahu doesn’t care what the religious leaders say, weeping about Palestinian children. He doesn’t care what the UN says. He doesn’t care what the media says.
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Coulter, the terrorist organization is Hamas, not Palestine as a whole. You're not looking at a hive mind, believe it or not.
Okay, I know you're nothing but a professional internet troll who somehow gets paid to say stupid shit even though people can easily get it for free on 4chan or Youtube. But celebrating the death of children crosses the line even in trolling. And if there's any justice in the universe you'll somehow get stuck in the middle of the Israel-Palestine conflict and get yourself targeted by both sides.
Hey coulter, you are not helping.
As a Israeli Jew, I can tell you that you got it all wrong. Netanyahu and Israel do care when civilians die. we do care about the world and the media. we do almost anything to reduce collateral damage.
IDF has taken measure unmatched by any other country to prevent causalities. For a change, even foreign press acknowledge that, and report about the use of human shields or false claims for militants death as civilians.
The funny thing is the right here, accusing Netanyahu of holding back. The right here, think we should conquer Gaza strip and eliminate Hamas and the other terrorists by force. the right here, think we need Putin or Bush.
in short, Netanyahu is probably too leftist for you, and the US armed forces already care less than the IDF about civilians and children.
Btw, the UN is a joke.
Is Coulter trying to look like some sort of cartoonish super villian?
The fact that you even use the word 'collaterol damage' even in one instance is disturbing, niv.
THIS POST IS FROM niv. THE NAME IS MISTAKE.
@Danarth
by "collateral damage", I was referring to the destruction of buildings.
Anyway, the point is one side fight under self-imposed limitations and take measures to prevent unnecessary death, while the other side try to increase the damage for PR purposes. there is no symmetry here and only one side to blame.
@niv
In my opinion, both sides get the blame, but I feel that Israel has a lot of unnecessary blame put on it. The worrying thing is when legitimate criticism of Israeli policy turns into pure invective ("Apartheid!" "Nazi!") and eventually crosses into veritable anti-Semitism.
@Swede
A better example would be Palestinian kid:Hamas::North Korean kid:the government there. The KKK as a group doesn't actually hold part of our government (though in the past, it was heavily ingrained into state governments, especially Indiana).
...and I'm not going to care what Coulter says.
I tell ya, the woman's just a troll who lost all relevance years ago.
I also find the "Ann's A Man" jabs as stupid as her own inflammatory B.S. It's rather transphobic & who cares if she's mannish? Biological male or not, I'll take her word for it that she's a woman.
...but I'll still see her as the human equivalent of the "Elephant's Foot" at Chernobyl.
http://nautil.us/blog/chernobyls-hot-mess-the-elephants-foot-is-still-lethal
Ooooookay....that's a bit over-the-top but I had to think of something revolting.
Maybe I should compare her to a maggot or that sludge found in a wet, full garbage can.
@ Goomy pls
I don't buy the "both sides" argument.
Israel does everything they can to decrease causalities. unless someone has real suggestion on how to fight a war without dead civilians, the criticism is illegitimate.
the last negotiations prove the Palestinians aren't willing to compromise anything. I would love to see 2 state solution, but maybe that doesn't possible anymore.
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Does Ann-chan even have a conscience? Why is she so happy to hear about the deaths of children? For that matter, why does she automatically think that they were part of a terrorist group? That doesn't make any sense! They were just kids!
Ibuki finds it creepy that anyone would say those kinds of things. It just doesn't sit right with her at all.
@ quinky
the hospital bombing has shown to be done by Hamas.
the schools used by Hamas for stocking and launching of rockets. maybe you should point fingers to the UN and the ways he allow the terrorists use its facilities.
meanwhile, Israel build humanitarian hospital in Gaza. Hamas response was mortar strike and death threats for any Palestinians who will dare to go there.
If Netanyahu really doesn't care about killing children or listening to the public or other world leaders, then that makes him a dictator, doesn't it? And that makes him a danger to a lot of people, Ann.
Yep. He just wantonly murders without a care and Anne, and a whole bunch of conservitards cheer the killer on.
Nope, don't need his kind over here, got too many nasty cowards of our own, how'd that Bush/Cheney shit work for America? Fucked it but Anne got and still gets her GOP Echo chamber blood money.
Jewish fundies and Muslim fundies duking it out in the Middle East while Christian fundies in the West egg them on. Meanwhile, sensible people get caught in the crossfire.
Why can't the bloodshed just stop?
@niv
I'd be a lot more inclined to believe you if it weren't for the case that the IDF intentionally targetted Palestinian children playing on a beach.
I don't think you're lying, but I think maybe you've been lied to.
The casualty rate among Palestinian civilians, including children, is heartbreaking. But Hamas uses these casualties to further its cause. I believe the Israelis when they say they're doing their best to avoid it. I ask those pointing self-righteous and indignant fingers at Israel how it should respond to rockets and terrorist incursions. And I wonder how many non-combatants were killed in Iraq during our adventure there.
@Goomy pls
I am afraid the problem is deeper than that. Lets look on Mahmud Abas, the current leader of the PLO. He is really moderate. he was one of the few which reject the violence even in the height of the second intifada (while polls in the Palestinian public show 80% support for suicide bombing).
Even he can't stop the incitement in the media and the schools, withdraw the demand for refugees return to their homes or disarm the militias. those steps are minimum that even the left couldn't be without.
In addition, he represent only half of the Palestinians (or even less). even if he sign agreement we can't be sure the Palestinian public or the Arab world will accept it, and recent turmoil only show how instable is the region.
@1696585
I don't know the specific of that incident, but I know IDF start investigation. however, this is isolated case and not indication for Israeli policy. I wouldn't trust the Hamas version for the events, as they caught in lies before.
I trust our judicial system, since they punished in the past soldiers who were responsible to regretful cases.
anyway, this case is not characteristic to the Israeli war ethic. there are dozens of opposite examples for military operation which were cancelled or altered to reduce casualties.
So not caring about dead children is supposed to be a good thing? DIAF!
@niv
Not really true in my experience. I spent a lot of time as a journalist in the West Bank during the second intifada. Children ARE targeted on purpose, or at least I've seen the IDF show wanton disregard for their safety on many occasions. Shelling a school with the pupils still in there? The army later claimed they'd been fired at from there. The thing is: I was there and there were no shots being fired. And many more incidents like it.
Not claiming that this is official state policy in any way. But there is an awful lot of othering and dehumanisation of the opposite side going on there. And with Israel's military capacity being far greater than the Palestinians' the latter tend to bear the brunt of the consequences on the whole.
@niv
I know the problem is incredibly complicated, definitely more so than "Palestine right, Israel wronf." I think Abbas is definitely more respectable than Hamas. The Palestinian people (as in persons) do have a right to self-determination, however manufactured the "Palestinian people" is, but I certainly agree that it shouldn't go into the territory (pun not intended) of antagonising Israel as has been Hamas and Hezbollah policy for years.
@1696693
I could just as easily say there's anti-Zionist shills in the comments.
@niv
I'm the anon who commented towards you earlier. I am not the zionist shills guy. That guy is a tool. Just getting that out of the way.
The thing is, a lot of what you're saying (such as it was Hamas that bombed the hospitals - which I haven't seen any evidence of) sounds suspicious.
I am not excuse Hamas' atrocities, but when Israel's been bulldozing Palestinian homes and replacing them with Israel-only homes, I can't help but feel that Israel ISN'T taking as many measures as they're proclaiming they are.
For starters, shall we talk about the two UN shelters located in schools that got blown up by the IDF?
As far as what Israel SHOULD be doing, it seems obvious to me. They should stop invading Palestine and move their borders back to where they were before.
Whatever the case, killing innocent civilians is never a good answer to any situation. Even if Hamas is using them as human shields, there's no justification for shooting the human shield.
@ 169774
turned out I mixed between the school which claimed to be harmed by Hamas's rocket fell short, and the hospital which claimed to be evacuated and used as military stand by Hamas.
at least those the official stories I have heard. I don't have a way to evaluate those claims, but I won't take the Hamas version as divine truth. especially not after foreign reporter claim Hamas limit their freedom to tell what they saw.
as for the claim we should stop invade, we tried that. we withdraw from Gaza in 2006. the Hamas keep firing rockets from there. Just because we had defensive measures, doesn't mean the people of southern Israel should put up with this reality.
the withdrawal supposed to be first step for greater withdrawal in the west bank. Hamas coup in the strip and the constant launching from there, have killed those plans.
Israel offered many times to withdraw from most of the west bank (up to 95% with alternate land and financial compensation for the rest). It can't happen if the west bank become Gaza and used to launching strikes against Israel.
you said killing civilians isn't the answer. while it true, civilians can't be life insurance for terrorists. I know about cases where retaliation fire withheld because the danger for civilians was too high. in the end, there are times when you must act.
@ niv
Don't take Hamas' version as divine truth. Don't take the IDF's version as divine truth either. Both groups have plenty of reasons to lie to make themselves look good.
Look at the evidence for yourself. Look for reports from aid workers and foreign observers in the area, as well as human rights groups. Hamas are acting as terrorists, and it's only right to condemn that. But the IDF has also done some very questionable stuff. Don't excuse them just because they claim to be doing it for your protection.
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