Europeans constantly demonize Israelis for occupying a worthless postage-stamp-sized piece of sand between them and the people who have sworn to commit genocide.
Meanwhile, millions of Europeans - not just in Germany, but also in France and throughout continental Europe - live in homes that they or their parents stole from Jews who were murdered.
The Europeans are happy that the Holocaust survivors fled Europe. But they're angry as Hell that the Jews had the incredible audacity to go somewhere people live. Why the heck couldn't they just move into the sea and solve everyone's problem?
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Yeah, all of Europe is actually Naziland. World War II was a sham, France and Russia were never actually invaded, not a single bomb fell on England, and the Cold War was just to distract the Almighty Godly Warriors of the United States of America (also Heaven).
K, so maybe I don't know much about Israel today, but I do know that under Ariel Sharon Israel openly declared an agenda of genocide against the Palestinians.
This guy probably thinks Greenpeace used the Rainbow Warrior to sink French ships, too.
If people leave things behind and never return it's not stealing to take over those things. And I'm very, very sure that any Jew who owned anything sold it before leaving for Israel.
Just because the land is postage stamp sized on a map doesn't mean that it has the same size in real life. If I build my house (probably a small one) on your lawn, you'd do anything you could to kick me out to and that plot of land is smaller than what the Israelites are stealing with that wall of theirs.
I don't know if Noncom lives in the U.S., but from his assumptions about Europeans, I would have to guess so.
And what I have to say to him, in that case, is "Mote and beam, bro!"
Millions of Americans live on land that their ancestors stole from the American Indians, many of whom we infected with our alien diseases or outright murdered.
Before you fuss about Europeans moving into vacant houses, think about how you can move the Cherokee back from Nebraska to Tennessee.
Seriously, if the "Jews who were murdered" had already been murdered, they didn't need their houses anymore. The larger atrocity was the murder, not the posthumous "theft."
Ummmm, who actually gave them that 'worthless postage-stamp-sized piece of sand' in 1948?
And they didn't flee - they decided to overpopulate the place wilfully.
So basically you're trying to equate Jerusalem to Auschwitz huh?
No-one cares that the Israelis ;eft for Palestine. The Palestinians would have welcomed them with open arms- as they had fought on their side in both WW1 and 2- so long as their property and rights were respected. Didn't happen. Non-Jews are second class citizens in Israel. Several hundred thousand Palestinians are, even now, living in concentration camps, instead of their homes.
Of course I realize where this guy's coming from, and as the devil may quote scripture even a whackjob can make a fair point. PS his last sentence is ironic - there are some conservatives who can manage it.
It would have been far more moral to have given Jewish survivors their own country - in Europe and at the expense of some of the guilty Europeans. Bavaria, for example. I know it isn't Jerusalem, and I understand the attachment, but it wasn't the Palestinians' fault they happened to be living there. But Europeans were happy that the Holocaust survivors fled Europe.
So yeah, one can be cynical about how keen Europe was on supporting Israel at first then keener on forgetting why modern Israel came to exist in the first place.
And why did it take 50 years after the end of WWII for the Swiss Banks, inter alia to even think about ensuring the surviving relatives of those who perished in the Shoah got what was simply theirs? And all that art? Wouldn't it have been some comfort to the survivors if some small justice had been done in their own lifetime?
I think Europeans have grown up a lot politically in the past half-century, but they are no more entitled to a monopoly on moral judgement that Americans are.
If it's so worthless, why are deporting, killing, stealing and harrasing people there to keep it quite?, why are dehumanising them and trying to look like the good ones?. And incidentally, those Jewish lived in houses which are nowadays MUSEUMS. And other houses are rented, from ALL the deads of war, which are up to 2 or 3 generations. Get your facts straight, you idiot.
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