Margaret #fundie

Margaret #fundie aroomofourown.wordpress.com

I say all that to say that I don’t care about little boys being sexually stimulated by women. It’s not rape. It’s not supported by the dominant power structure, which does support overtly and explicitly the rape of girls and women.

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old comment by dionysus

The inherent nature of heterosexual sex is apples to oranges. Forgetting the whole dildo thing

Why should we forget it? It's very relevant. Even if it's not a dildo, it can still be any insertable object that's lying around.

if a woman rapes a little boy she isn't sticking something in him.

Actually, I've demonstrated that this is not necessarily the case. I'd also like to add that even without an insertion, a male erection is involuntary and the male can still be violated by the woman the 'traditional' way. Sure, it's not an insertion, but you tell the victim that. Basically, I'm echoing vana here by saying that while the physical act may be different, it doesn't make it any less wrong.

On a significantly lighter note, this site should let us edit our names if we forgot them.

Yeah, that would be a nice feature.

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Sadly, we don't know much about male rape. Why? Because of the stupid cultural notion that a man can't be raped by a woman, thus leading to the conclusion that a man who didn't enjoy "sex" with a woman has something seriously wrong with him. Because of that stigma most male rape victims don't report the crime, allowing the rapists to get away scot-free and attack more men, possibly even ramping up their attacks to the point of killing one of them.

From what little we do know from victims who were actually mature and brave enough to come forward about it, male rape is just as psychologically devastating for men as it is for women. However, unlike female rape victims there isn't really anywhere for them to go for support and therapy, so they're pretty much fucked for finding healthy and effective ways to overcome their mental anguish.

I don't know about any of you, but any society that fails to look after half its population when it comes to something like that has something wrong with it.

old comment by Swede

Do we really need to compare notes on this? Each rape is an individual act, each victim has his or her own feelings and reactions to it. If you feel victimized, you are victimized. Women don't have stronger rights to be victimized than men, especially not from a feminist point of view. There's no equality in "I suffer more because I am a woman".

To draw a parallel to a more* emotional violation: If you have been the victim of a romance scam, it doesn't really matter if you are woman and the perpetrator is a man, or if it's the other way around. It's the violation of trust, the betrayal of confidences, the predatory mentality of the perpetrator, those are the scarring factors, not that the fraudulent person was a male or a female.

* More emotional than physical, I mean, not more emotional than a rape. English is my second language, the hardest part is to get the nuances just right.

old comment by shockmeshockmeshockmewiththatdeviantbehavior

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@1129184: And where is the difference? Again: Rape has one purpose: to degrade the victim and thus elating the rapist through the exercise of power over someone else.

Thats only ONE side of it tho... there are many reasons why someone might rape another person... regardless of gender... age... background... even reason. Sometimes rape doesnt even have a specific reason anymore than the victim would be a "chosen" victim.

Sometimes rape is someone getting off on the "power" of it. Sometimes rape is because they wanted that person so badly that didnt want them back it can also be constituted as a crime of passion. Sometimes rape is simply because they wanted to "get off" and have been deprived of sexual stimulation in their life. Sometimes rape is even just someone doing it just to do it to see what it feels like or if they can get away with it.

The basic point is... RAPE IS RAPE if both parties or all people in the party DO NOT CONSENT WILLINGLY TO IT. No matter the identity of the person involved... their genders... their ages. And molestation is a FORM OF RAPE just without the penetration. DUH.
In all cases its WRONG if:

a. not everyone agrees to want it or participate.
b. if the person isnt old enough to know the difference of whether or not they would want to participate. Hence the reason we have AGE LAWS.

old comment by speccy4i

Someone doesn't understand what rape is, do they?

It's not about what gets inserted where unwillingly, it's about power. It's about someone doing something intimate to you against your will.

And WTF about 'not supported by the dominant power structure'? Once upon a time single mothers weren't supported by the dominant power structure. Hell, for a the longest time, women were denied a lot of things by the dominant power structure. But then people fought the power structures and things changed.

You aren't a feminist, you aren't for equality, you are a bitch. You're for the segregation of men and women, you want women treated special because you perceive them as better as men when (just as people misinterpret evolution) there is no such thing as a better gender.

old comment by Kat

I am astonished by Margaret's article and what it is saying. What it is basically saying is that men were the ones who came up with the concept of viginity as a means to control women, and that they feely use the term themselves as a way to create an illusion to women about the importance of it. So since males use it to supress women, female on male rape isn't really rape or taking away the male's viginity if he had it before since he isn't feeling the same thing physiologically as a female vigin would.

To Margaret I say this:

Yes it is rape you b****. Rape is about control and/or exploitation of the victim. You aren't helping anybody with your idiotic rant. Don't believe me check this website out. If you still don't care after seeing that you raging misandrist, let's just say and hope that the two of us would never meet.

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Let's look at a dictionary definition of the word "rape," shall we?

rape /re?p/ noun, verb,raped, rap·ing.
noun
1.the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
2. ANY ACT OF SEXUAL INTERCOURSE THAT IS FORCED UPON A PERSON.
3.statutory rape.
4.an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation: the rape of the countryside.
5.Archaic. the act of seizing and carrying off by force.

Notice that I put #2 in all caps. Why? Look carefully at what #2 says. Notice that, unlike #1, #2 does not specify who the victim is. It does not say, "Any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a woman." It does not say, "Any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon an adult."

It says "any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a PERSON." A PERSON. Meaning, a woman OR a man. An adult OR a child.

And now look closely at #3. Statutory rape. You know, when an adult rapes a CHILD. A child of either gender, male or female. So, yes, if a grown woman has sex with a little boy, it's RAPE.

Are you seriously saying that if your (hypothetical or real) son was raped by a woman, was molested by her, that you wouldn't be upset at all? You wouldn't call that woman a rapist? You'd just shrug and say, "Oh, yeah, my little boy really wanted it and if I protest, then I'd just contribute to the power structure." REALLY?

Earth to Margaret, rape is rape, no matter who the victim is. If a person (male, female, old, young, gay, straight, bisexual, etc.) does not want to sleep with another person, does not fully understand what sex is, is not in his/her right mind, and/or is not physically and/or emotionally ready to have sex, and yet another person sleeps with him/her anyway, IT'S RAPE.

old comment by Heather

STOP TAINTING THE WORD 'FEMINIST' FOR THE REST OF US!

Christ, I'm sick of explaining to everyone that 'feminist' means 'one who wants equality for the sexes' because misandrists like you fire off your mouth and act like it's impossible for a woman to hurt a man, something that goes against the very principle you push.

And the rape or sexual assault OF anyone, BY anyone, gay, heterosexual, bisexual, male, female, hermaphrodite, and so on, is scarring and deserving of every support the law and society can give the victim, and every punishment that the law and society can give the perpetrator. Fuck the sex and gender roles we associate with it--boys can be victims too without being less of a man.

old comment by Styggian

Some of you folks are just as disgusting dismissing victims of rape and molestation because they're male, or because they weren't penetrated. Rape is rape, molestation is molestation. I don't care for pissing matches over what's worse or not over sexual assault any more than I care about them for chronic pain or mental illness.

This wackjob is also why I prefer humanist over feminist. I want as close to equality for all, and equal protections for all, rather than be associated with the bitter manhaters. I don't trust men as a rule, either. I was molested as a child, coerced and taken advantage of for sex as a teen, and emotionally manipulated as well as physically assaulted by my husband. I am not at all comfortable around strange men and refuse to enter an elevator or other enclosed space with limited exits with a man I do not know VERY well. But I don't hate them or want men as a whole to come under harm, and CERTAINLY not little boys that aren't even capable of those things.

This makes me wonder if it was trolling for division and society retrogradation.

Margaret #fundie aroomofourown.wordpress.com

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