I’m all for sterilization– Mandatory sterilization. As in, any person receiving welfare benefits gets sterilized. Before you get your EBT, TANF, WIC, etc., you get Norplant.
It is a humane solution to a pressing problem. It’s also more cost-effective than broken schools, devalued neighborhoods, multiple victims of violent crimes, and the expensive, ineffective penal system.
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Holy shit! So the moment you fall on your ass in life someone comes and cuts your nuts off? What if they make their way out of poverty? Are you going to undo the damage you did to them? And aren't all of these procedures really fucking expensive? Who's going to pay for all of these sterilizations and unsterilizations? I'm all for people not having more kids than they can take care of but I prefer to do it through nice, safe, cheap sex education and money management education not through expensive, unnecessary, and cruel medical procedures that punish people simply for falling on hard times.
funny, norplant is a woman's contraceptive. no mention of the men who inpregnated said women having to be forcebly, even temporarily, sterilized.
Now darling, you know you shouldn't perform a surgical procedure on others until you've tried it yourself... I'm sure Pugsley would help you if you asked nicely. Or, you could play with your spider until you're in a better mood. (sigh) It's a fine line between gloomy and grumpy.
First of all this is NOT fundamentalist. And yes, look at statistics: kids from welfare families are FAR more likely to comitt crimes, drop out of schools, etc. Yes I agree with some commenters that many whites are on Welfare (in Oklahoma for example 70% of welfare recipients are white), so this is not a racist issue either. It is simple: the person cannot afford the children they have, norplant prevents them from having even more they cannot take care of. And it can be removed if their situation changed.
So how is not wanting to pay for someone else's children 'fundy' or 'racist'?
While I was serving my country and protecting your freedom to spout your bullshit, I had to use food stamps and WIC in order to provide for my family.
Are you really suggesting that a patriotic American who is severely underpaid while serving in the military and putting his/her life on the line for your freedom should be sterilized? If so, you should be castrated and forced to eat your own testicles.
So because a few people game the system, everyone should be penalized. What you describe is what goes on in dictatorships and communist countries. I smell racism in this comment as well, so I'll just end with this:
Wednesday, please FOADIAF.
Well, wait. Is he talking about sterilization or compelling those unable to support themselves to use birth control such that they do not produce children they would also be unable to support. Sterilization no, but Norplant with benefit? That may have some merit. If only there was a way to get the men on benefits compelled to use birth control too.
"I’m all for sterilization Mandatory sterilization -Wednesday
"So how is not wanting to pay for someone else's children 'fundy' or 'racist'?" -sometimestheyareright
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Fuck it. Why stop there? How about we start emulating other bastions of freedom when trying to solve our problems?
So if your job gets sent overseas, you have to get sterilized?
And you oppose fair wages for anyone who's father died in a war before he could afford to buy a marriage?
Fuck you Wednesday.
@ Papabear
Theres is a small nugget of a good idea in this guys post, isnt there? (the idea of compelling those unable to support themselves to use birth control)
But yeah, its hidden behind the usual battshittery.
Honestly, I think birth control should be in the damn water, and you should have to make a deliberate decision to reproduce.
Limiting it only to people this "Wednesday" (who needs to stop using my adorable kitten's name) thinks are unworthy however is just bullshit.
I agree to this very limited point, that people should not be allowed social benefit when they do not meet the requirement on which payment is based.
As to castrating, I reckon the Wednesday would sing an entirely different song if it were one or other of his/her offspring that was up for castration because of a breach of social welfare regulations.
The way to deal with such breaches is by proper vigilance of the system.
And what about selling all you have and giving it to the poor? Pure socialism, no?
Get your fact right.
I dunno. I'm on food assistance, I'd I'd support sterilization of people on benefits. Then again, I hate children, so my opinion isn't exactly unbiased. But at least I admit it.
Er, Xotan...
Matt 19:11-12 Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by othersand there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”
I think you need to look up facts first.
Uh, yeah. Norplant is a birth control option, not a method of sterilization. It's apparently not even available in the US, presently.
But, okay, forced birth control is alright in certain circumstances then. But people choosing their methods of birth control is still bad, according to much of the right wing and fundie assholes. Do people like this ever realize that if different birth control methods/sexual health options are widely available to everyone that it helps with *many* problems? People having children they didn't plan for/can't really afford being one of them... Because family planning/choosing not to have rugrats is pretty damn important to most everyone.
@sometimestheyareright:
One word: Consent.
I am all for safe and effective contraception being made available to everybody as soon as they hit puberty. But I won't condone forcing people be sterilized . Nor is that necessary - at least according to the demographic transition model (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_transition ).
That's the failure here.
Wednesday also apparently doesn't understand the difference between sterilization and contraception. Mandatory contraception for everyone makes some sense, as might mandatory limits on the number of children for everyone (like China's 1-child policy), but mandatory sterilization would be unnecessary assault and limiting it only to people who happen to not make lots of money would be discriminatory.
Dude, capitalism does not work that way. Under the capitalist mode of production, some people will end up unemployed and so will need unemployment welfare. Being on welfare is slso not the same thing as being permanently on welfare, anyine can lose their job. Also because capitalists half the time pay shit wages, workers need benefits despite the fact they actually work. This is the same crap they used to spout about the workers in the 19th centjry - "oh they are all poor because they are filthy sexualised labourers thst have too many kids" It was a bullshit argument then and its one now.
So basically what you're saying is, you work hard, your job gets outsourced to Malaysia, and then you get double-screwed by getting sterilized in order to eat.
It would be great if people like you got their jobs outsourced to Malaysia, then came back here after they've lost their jobs and their health insurance and had a $90,000 heart attack and see how quick they were to hand their gonads to the government.
But if that happens to you, you won't be posting on Moonbattery. That's reserved for the fat, dumb and happy people who haven't lost their jobs and honestly think it's because of something great that they did.
wic is for low income women and kids younger than 5 to help them get good nutrition.
I had a stroke and cant work, so I qualify for EBT (food stamp program). Dont sterilize me with Norplant cause I am a guy.
Doesnt Christianity suggest caring for your neighbor if he is in need ?
I have a better idea. Let's require better sex education in schools, and allow easier access to birth control. This will do more to prevent unwanted pregnancies. In addition, let's do more to ensure everyone has an equal chance to try to succeed - better education for everyone, health care for everyone, decent wages for everyone - this will ensure that fewer people are in poverty - thus, less welfare.
Moonbattery's going soft.
Even if a welfare recipient is sterilized, it's still going to take a generation for him/her to get off the mooching list, so why not just have them all shot?
Texas would love that, they could do 150 executions a week for years. Governor Perry would have a hard on that would never go away.
Sterilization costs money, a bullet's cheap. Dig a hole, bang, cover it up, finished, No more welfare.
Rick Santorum would be in extasy.
used to be done
Hitler soured a lot of people on the practice.
...in order to avoid Godwin, the upper middle and upper classes were hunky dory with that kind of system before WWII... in the USA. And someone, not naming names, decided to use it for his world domination wet dream... damn I was so close.
It’s also more cost-effective than broken schools, devalued neighborhoods, multiple victims of violent crimes, and the expensive, ineffective penal system.
But sterilizing fundies would curb more of that than attacking lower incomers. Also, I believe a vast majority of fundies are in the lower brackets - look at the bible belt. In fact, just going after the Christians would eliminate about 80% of the problem.
A bastard himself, iirc, but not real sure who you mean ;-)
We're going about this all wrong. Oftentimes, people go on welfare and they already have kids. The solution? Revive a certain "modest proposal!"
Think about it. They can feed mouths with the other mouths that they would have to be feeding. It's genius.
And it's all-natural, too. Octopi will scoop up some of their brood and eat them like nachos if they get desperate. Platies have to be separated from their younglings from birth, lest they devour them. There's the nutrition angle too: what better way to get all the vitamins and nutrients necessary for the human body, other than a human body?
Don't we all "receive welfare benefits"? There are roads to travel on, water comes into our houses, in some countries there are free or cheap schools and subsidised medical care.
Don't most people just need your kinds of welfare benefits for a limited time? Between jobs, or after an injury, but when they get a new job or heal from the injury, they can take care of themselves again. Should we then reverse the sterilization?
Norplant lasts 5 years, less if it's removed. That said, I wouldn't advocate it for most welfare recipients, but I do know one lazy woman who's been on welfare for years and keeps popping out babies just to keep collecting, so I might advocate mandatory birth control for her for as long as she stays on welfare.
You know, over here in Scandinavia (at least in Finland and Sweden) we used to have forced sterilizations of the "mentally sub-normal" well into the 1970s. Funnily enough, the practice was deemed inhumane and our governments have apologized profusely for it. So yeah, I don't think you want to go down that path. Also, Fascism is sooooo 1930s, dahling.
But let me guess... if a woman on welfare does get pregnant you're against her having an abortion, right?
Further proof that right-wingers only care about children before they're born.
Xotan #
I am well aware. And a close reading does not by any means indicate that Jesus approved of castration, especially in the sense that Wednesday of Moonbattery means.
1. Some born as eunuchs - nobody's fault. An aberration of nature.
2. Some made eunuchs - not on un common practice in those days. cf Philip and the Ethiopian Eunuch
3. Some eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven: this signifies those who purposely abstain from sex, such as anchorites, hermits.
There is nothing in this that approves of or demands castration.
Moreover, read what the OT says about a woman injuring a man in the stones.
Deut 23:1 - No one who has been emasculated by crushing or cutting may enter the assembly of the LORD
You'd be singing a different tune if it was you that needed welfare.
Oh, but that's different, isn't it? They're lazy; you're just down on your luck. Probably the fault of women or minorities, or whoever's the scapegoat of the week.
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