the Draconians or Dracos have two main castes, the first of which is a warrior caste that are in the 7-8 foot range, who are apparently feared throughout the galaxy for their fighting abilities. The second caste are a ‘royal line’ of Draco Reptilians that he describes as ‘Ciakars’ which, because of their alleged size, psychic ability and alleged wings, might be confused as the proverbial Dragon if Collier is correct: The Draconians are a very large reptilian race, otherwise known as "the Dracs". There is royal line of the reptilian race called the Ciakar. They range from 14 to 22 feet tall and can weigh up to 1,800 pounds. They do have winged appendages and they are awesome beings. They're extremely clairvoyant and extremely clever, and they can also be extremely sinister.
There appears to be a strict hierarchy involving the Draco-Reptilians and other
extraterrestrial races so far described in this group. According to Thomas Castello, Reptilians from Alpha Draconis, the ‘Dracos’, are in command of the Earth based Reptilians. Earth based Reptilians are in turn in command of the ‘tall Grays’, who are in command of the short Grays. Interestingly, Castello also describes the Draconian ruling caste as Ciakars who are winged and therefore could be easily confused as dragons. Jefferson Souza, a Brazilian UFO researcher confirms the existence of a hierarchy involving the Grays and a Master Reptilian race.
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Not FSTDT, but clearly in CSTDT territory.
That being said, I think you're taking D&D way too seriously. Time to back away from the D20.
"coyotepoet", you need urgently some time outside. When was the last time you have seen this big yellow bright thing hanging during the day in the sky? Alternatively, I would recommend a weekend in the city, having some beers and fun with some good friends. Or how about a vacation to a nice holiday resort?
That's very disturbing: creatures who look like dragons comes from Alpha Draconis. They must have been here for tens of thousands of years, manipulating our language, our mythology and even our astronomy. They must have an extremely sinister long-term plan for humanity, if they've gone to all that trouble.
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm convinced.
I was wondering, are the Ciakars capable of disguising themselves as humans? The reason I ask is because of the chap who owns the corner shop. I often pop in of a morning to buy a paper and a packet of mints, and the shop owner, who I think might possibly be a disguised Ciakar, is at least 20 feet tall. Plus his shop assistants, two very pleasant young ladies, never have any problems reaching items on the top shelf. The things is, they look like perfectly normal tall humans, but could they be Draco Reptillians in disguise? Perhaps they have a hidden agenda other than running a small corner shop? Could it be that they are secretly running all our lives? Should I report them to the authorities?
@rallymodeller:
Hang on a sec, I think we might have the makings of a pretty kickass campaign setting here. Pity TSR's dead now; Wizards of the Coast doesn't have the balls to try anything that isn't standard fantasy or already present in D&D's history.
I want to stat these guys up for Spelljammer, this sounds awesome.
As someone from a different planet, I can tell you this is pure bullshit.
The vast majority of life forms developing any form of intelligence are in general bi-pedal life forms not entirely unlike yourself. It all depends on gravity.
Is the original quote from one of the moderators on the BAUT forum? It would certainly fit in with their pea brain mentality. Not that they believe in aliens, but they take their computer gaming in mommy's basement very seriously and get very touchy when the BAUT members laugh at them about it.
In fact, they're touchy about almost everything. I guess that's part of being mentally insufficient.
I thought cicadas were insects... Oh, sorry, it's ciakars.
coyotepoet, you do know that Games of Thrones is just a fantasy story, don't you?
Seriously, I really want to know. Do people who say things like this really believe it, or are they just trying to see how outlandish a story they can tell and still have people believe it? Or are they trying to write science fiction? If you would talk about a civil war between the Dracos and the Ciakars, then you'd have a pretty good basis for a science fiction movie, even if it's just a SyFy original.
Or are people who write this stuff just a bunch of crazy nutters on drugs?
Meh, Draconians are wimps.
Wake me when the Kilrathi show up, I've still got a score to settle with those furballs.
Actually coyotepoet is sort of on the money, even though he/she almost certainly doesn't know it. The Draconians are a heirarchichal alien race whose empire rivalled that of the human race. They played a prominent role in Doctor Who and looked like this:
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However, the significant difference between this poet guy and a typical DW fan is this: we know it's not real.
While we're waiting for this to be moved to CSTDT, I have to wonder what 'reptilian' means in this context (I know, bear with me). What we call reptiles here on Earth are not a true paraphyletic group, in that the various creatures we call such are not related to one another more closely than they are to (most obviously) birds. We characterise reptiles by scaly skin, egg-laying (mostly), air-breathing and exothermy ('cold-blooded').
However, any intelligent offshoot of reptiles is almost certain to be endothermic ('warm blooded'): big brains cost a lot of energy, and need a better life support system. Endothermy also requires insulation of some sort - feathers, fur, blubber. So any intelligent xenomorph isn't really going to look much like an Earth reptile at all. So how scaly critters came to be the standard aliens in fiction is a bit odd, actually. Myself, I would have gone for cephalopods, although I admit land-based squid are equally problematic.
And reptiles with beards are right out.
...tall Grays’, who are in command of the short Grays.
In other words, a height-based hierarchy. Why do I think coyotepoet watches too much Invader Zim?
I love Above Top Secret. It's nice to see a different kind of nut than what I usually run across.
It's also an excellent way to see exactly how a mythology forms with pieces being added on and expanded by each new telling. When people wonder how religions start, you can point them to ATS.
David Icke, is that you?!
"the Draconians or Dracos have two main castes"
Meh. The Minbari (in "Babylon 5") have three Castes: Worker, Warrior and Religious. WH40K's Tau have five castes: Shas (Fire), Fio (Earth), Por (Water), Kor (Air) and Aun (Aethereal), all working together for The Greater Good (I like to see the Abh in the manga/anime "Banner/Crest of the Stars" as a cross-between the Tau and Eldar)
"tall Grays" "short Grays"
PROTIP: The TV series "Stargate SG-1" is not a documentary.
"a Master Reptilian race"
But I wonder why we don't see them? Oh yes, that's right. They were hunted to extinction by the Yautja; considered inferior when they discovered the Xenomorphs.
[/"Alien vs. Predator"]
But hey, one fiction's just as good as another, amirite? >:D
I want to stat these guys up for Spelljammer, this sounds awesome. -- GodotIsWaiting4You
A creature named "Dracon" was already published for the Spelljammer setting. It's kind of a dragon-centaur that can serve as the "Proud Warrior-Race Guys."
As for the Draconians, they actually have five castes: Baaz, Bozak, Kapak, Sivak, and Aurak! :-)
Look, for the last time, you really need to stop falling asleep in front of the television. The last time I did that, I was convinced a giant robot had destroyed Hogwarts and that cryptids were taking over the remains.
...I'm not kidding. I actually DID dream that once.
@Bollox
*weeping* You speaketh my native tongue! Oh, how I longed for another who knows what "paraphyletic" means!
To expand on what you said, I would like to point out that if birds and crocodilians(archosaurs) were "reptilian", then mammals would be as well, considering that mammals evolved from early reptiles... But that would be absurd.
People often assume that archosaurs are debatably reptilian, due to the fact that they're egglaying, scaled creatures, and crocodilians are also cold blooded(they were actually warm blooded before they became aquatic ambush predators) but physiologically, differences in the heart and bones show that archosaurs are no more reptiles than Tuataras are lizards.
That said, and I can't believe I'm actually agreeing with this sanitarium escapee, a creature can look for all the world LIKE a reptile, and yet not be a reptile. They would, however, for convenience be labeled a "reptile", yet not owe any allegiance whatsoever to the term. It's rather like the movie Starship Troopers, where the creatures in question were called "Arachnids", and were thought to have the intelligence of such, despite being nothing of the sort. Not that I believe such a creature exists. And is working with the Space Jews to broadcast mind control beams via high altitude spy dirigibles in order to form the New World Order and usher in the Antichrist.
@ J James:
I must admit it isn't my native tongue, and I speak it but indifferently, having learned it from books. (A victim of an English arts education, I have tried to educate myself in science a bit. I wouldn't fool a real scientist for a New York second, but it's good enough for smacking down fundies).
And now I want to be a Space Jew.
@Bollox
"I wouldn't fool a scientist for a New York second."
Hence my confusion about the Reptilians looking nothing like reptiles when in fact it is possible if unlikely.
@1321659
It does make you wonder where the nutjobs get this from. Did they, like, intercept some sort of alien history channel broadcast that just happens to be technologically compatible with human signal tech? And in English for some reason? Or did the reptilians tell them directly, in which case, WHY!?
Obviously they just pulled it out of the volumous fact-free cavern that is their ass, but still, how do they justify it to THEMSELVES?! 'Tis a mystery, I say.
This is utter and complete bullshit propaganda. You didn't do any research on us at all before writing this pile of lies, did you?
First of all, we actually have 9 castes. However, due to the recent civil rights movement, all of them have equal employment opportunities (well, for the most part, the legless toad-forms still often have trouble getting work in some neighborhoods).
Second of all, we haven't had a monarchy since the Second Age of Aptar. Our government is purely democratic.
As for "feared throughout the galaxy", yeah, we wish. Those Sirian douchebags are constantly ragging on us since we don't have their fancy antimatter guns.
And finally, we don't associate with the ones you call "The Grays". They're assholes.
Jefferson Souza, a Brazilian UFO researcher, confirming the existence of castes among a race of reptilian creatures from outer space.
Seems legit.
But still, it could make fantastic furry porn.
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