<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPUCTQY3-3c ">The problem of induction disproves atheism!</a>
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Because the fact that I do not spontaneously turn into a grasshopper must prove God exists.
His video game analogy had interesting implications, though. He says that you know your car won't turn into a horse, not because it's never happened before, but because you know that the game designer made it so that doesn't happen. But you should also note that the game designer cannot tinker with the code while you are playing it . In essence, the designer can create the game but he can not influence it in any way after the fact . If the programmer ceased to exist at this point, it would not affect your game whatsoever.
Basically, for his "science requires order" argument to work, it must assume that, if a god exists, he is impotent.
Atheists are certain things will remain constant because they know there are no outside forces acting on the universe. Theists, however, do believe God acts on the universe even now. How, then, do THEY explain their belief in consistancy?
These are the same Christians that believe Jesus walked on water, moses parted the red sea, there was a talking snake, God talks through burning bushes that don't burn, the sun stood still (or I assume the Earth did), water was transformed into wine, a woman was turned to salt, a staff became a snake, etc, etc, etc...
Where's the uniformity in that?
@Patches
But you should also note that the game designer cannot tinker with the code while you are playing it.
But I can, with the power of Codebreaker!
Muahaha! Infinite HP & 999999 gold for me!!
His basic argument is that because there's uniformity in the universe, there must be a God to make it happen. That's cute, Mr. Fundie. Who's to say ANYONE had to "create" it, or write the rules? Why does there have to be?
Okay: After studying the history of the Biblical authors as well as the Bible itself I now know two things about the Bible.
1) It's truth is based on a logical fallacy, and a pretty obvious one too.
2) Many of it's claims contradict reality, and even itself.
This leads to me conclude that the Bible is not founded by an all powerful perfect diety but instead is the product of the imaginations of ignorant Sematic hearders who existed several thousand years ago. Can I have my money now?
I'm seeing this tactic more and more often. When it's become plainly obvious that the mythical and primitive god of the bible cannot exist you must invent a nebulous, poorly defined, unfalsifiable version of god. Then you cherry pick the bible, add a little creative interpretation, and merge the nebulous god with the biblical god!
First of all, it is internally inconsistent to argue that god makes the Universe predictable and uniform when you believe in a supernatural, interventionist god.
Second of all, why are you arguing for an entity outside the universe which created it to be uniform, when you cannot explain why your own god can't change? Seriously, if god is preventing my car from turning into a horse, what is preventing your alleged god from turning into something else? Parsimony suggests otherwise, my friend.
Third of all, what makes you think nature is so uniform and predictable? Unexpected events happen all the time. Nature is predictable (to a certain extent) because it is observable, not the other way around.
Can I have my $1000 check now?
Ignignockt --
Part of the fundie war against science involves misrepresenting the scientific method. It's depressing how few people (at least here in the U.S. -- education may be better on this count elsewhere) are even familiar enough with the scientific method to recognize that scientific theories are provisional.
Either that, or some fundies are simply incapable of conceiving of a form of inquiry not based on assuming the infallibility of a single source.
it really pisses me off that people post rants or arguments or things like that on youtube
i mean why not text? it's faster, easier to go back and look at something, i don't have to listen to you talk, etc.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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