They definitely can’t do it on their own now. For one, they have those tests and pass rates imposed by No Child Left Behind (or No Child Left Alone); these hold blacks to similar standards as whites and are a virtual mandate for cheating by principals and teachers. Standardized tests do have value for largely black schools, even more so than for white schools, but the standards should be changed, with basic skills reinforced throughout elementary and secondary school.
Secondly, black political groups aren’t motivated, and will probably never be motivated, to start a revolution in education not founded on racial grievances. There is also widespread parental indifference.
You ask, “Why must someone or some institution (government, e.g.) set something up for them?” Because it’s the right thing to do and blacks are unlikely to do it entirely on their own. I’m not a supporter of our public education system, but paternalistic education of some kind, education not founded on white guilt and not indulgent of lawlessness or misbehavior, makes sense for blacks. A libertarian approach isn’t reasonable for all groups. That’s a vague answer, but until we let the idea that racial differences matter, in education especially, we can’t work on the details.
I should add that all education is not worthy of the name unless it takes into consideration the totality of the person. That is as true for blacks as for whites. Modern state-run education denies the spiritual dimension and the immortality of the soul.
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>> these hold blacks to similar standards as whites and are a virtual mandate for cheating by principals and teachers. <<
Your nigras need to be taught to sweep floors, shine shoes, and sing gospel songs. And not be so danged uppity. Boy, your darkies shore kin sing and dance!
>> Modern state-run education denies the spiritual dimension and the immortality of the soul.<<
But.. but... isn't that what church is for?
Modern state-run education denies the spiritual dimension and the immortality of the soul.
No, it doesn't. It just doesn't indoctrinate students to your preferred religion.
Also, DIAF racist bitch.
Modern state-run education denies the spiritual dimension and the immortality of the soul.
Why is it the government's job to teach children religion? For all the whining conservatives do about how crappy our government runs things, and how terrible our schools are, they want them to be in charge of teaching children religion.
A libertarian approach isn’t reasonable for all groups.
I agree with that but not for your dumb ass reasons. The libertarian approach doesn't work because the system is intrinsically and extremely unequal in terms of opportunity. Sure, a poor man can work his way up and become rich (which makes our system better than most other political and economic systems used throughout history) but you're still statistically better off being born into a rich family. You have access to better education, better tutors, more leisure time to study what you want to study, better networking (your parents are more likely to know people in higher positions), hell, even better nutrition to help your body and brain develop better. Sure, rags to riches stories are inspiring but there's a reason they're so notable in the first place: they're extremely rare. Most people that are born poor stay poor.
Why am I going off on a diatribe against libertarianism in a post about ridiculous racism? Because frankly this post is such a putrid mix of bigotry and stupidity that it's not even worth commenting on the main point of the post.
Modern state-run education denies the spiritual dimension and the immortality of the soul.
Of course state-run education acknowledges these things; it just doesn't take them in any particular direction. Whatever you think about belief in schools, that's still better than going to a church which denies science and the value of learning.
"I should add that all education is not worthy of the name unless it takes into consideration the totality of the person. That is as true for blacks as for whites. Modern state-run education denies the spiritual dimension and the immortality of the soul."
Yeah. Which is precisely why China is now your only superpower rival today. Gene Therapy and other forms of R&D. Their ambitions for a manned landing to the Moon. Can you say 'Cyberwarfare', Laura? I know you can. You don't get those levels of technological development by teaching their youth in state schools/colleges/universities about an (un)'Intelligent Designer', nor that Pi = exactly 3, because a book of fairy tales says so.
In Soviet China, God worships you .
Nope, no 'Kitzmiller vs. Dover' required there, nosiree. Nor here in the UK, where even 'Faith Schools' - if they're to continue to receive state funding - must teach the Big Bang & Evolution as fact as per the National Curriculum; even private tutoring & homeschooling here must conform to the NC, which is the law. That one word: China .
So a misogynist g.i.r.l and a racist cunt opposed to educational standards?
Let's introduce "her" to Vox Day, I bet they'll hit it off like some unholy match made in the worst nightmares of H.P. Lovecraft.
@NoHopeLost:
"Does someone here speak fundie? I have no idea what I just read.
Ahem.
Now that president Dumbya has been out of office for 5 years I can trash his "accomplishments".
Niggers R dum, they can't handle white curriculum. They need a custom niggerised curriculum.
P.S. The regular curriculum has been de-godded and is therefore politically incorrect.
Wow! So the NCLBA is a product of white guilt and paternalism? This is new to me.
The NCLBA is actually a mechanism by the Bush 43 Government to make public education as cheap and nasty as possible by relying on standardized testing, standardized lesson plans and crushing the teacher unions.
The reason for all this? It was done to destroy the idea of public education. If a school failed to meet totally arbitrary targets, they could be turned over to a private educational company.
Liberals, lefties and union types hate NCLBA. If you care about your child's education, so should you.
And yet... Black children adopted or fostered to white couples don't suffer from anywhere near the same disadvantages NOR the same under-performance...
It's almost like it's sweet fuck all to do with Race but more to do with a shit-ton of other stuff that is causing problems to society in general.
And it's worth noting that white children in the same socio-economic class do just as badly... Possibly a connection there?
In other words "Blacks are stupid and violent"
Your racism is showing, Laura.
Modern state-run education denies the spiritual dimension and the immortality of the soul.
Keep it in church.
Sorry, fellow fstdt'ers, but except for the spiritual dimension crap -- which is pretty much a throwaway line here -- this is pretty solid stuff. I don't think she is claiming that racial differences are innate.
"education not founded on white guilt"
I am sure that by "white guilt" you mean teaching things such as the United States' history of slavery, the struggle for suffrage, jim crow, and the struggle for civil rights and the struggle against.
I hate to break it to you but these things are part of our history and should be taught extensively to avoid them happening again. If it makes you feel guilty then good. We should have a bit of guilt for some parts of our history. We certainly shouldn't be proud.
Entirely RSTDT until the last sentence.
Laura Wood needs to be reminded that this isn't the 1950s.
@Old Viking:
Um... I'm pretty sure that's exactly what she's saying. She's wrong, racist, and stupid.
Wow. You do not have a clue what you are talking about. The type of education that does not take the spiritual dimension into account (of course you simply want your bullshit to be dogma in public education, which is illegal) is exactly what black kids, in the cities anyway, get with all their test prep and curriculum narrowing. There is not a racial difference, jackass, there is a poverty difference and it does matter. However, I would also like to point out that parental indifference is plenty high among rich white parents. They expect to be able to pay for their kids to be medicated, given therapy, etc. into whatever they want. And a lot of times, they still want the schools to pay for it, and they're only willing to pay for their lawyers.
Confused?
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