Going by that argument though, wouldn't it be more logical to kill the mother, who has now put both her's and her childs life in danger of being horrible and unlivable simply by not taking proper precautions to avoid said predicament, rather then killing an "unthinking bunch of cells" that might actually do something with it's life? I mean lets face it, even scientifically speaking, you can't deny the fact that once that sperm and egg join, nothing short of some natural cuase or horrible tragedy is going to prevent those cells from becoming a child. So simply becuase it's in a lesser stage of developement it no longer has rights? And I'll be honest, I think people who are making the decision on when "life is life" and when it's "Just a group of cells" must think they have Godlike knowledge, to make a decision like that. Society makes me wonder sometimes :/
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>>And I'll be honest, I think people who are making the decision on when "life is life" and when it's "Just a group of cells" must think they have Godlike knowledge, to make a decision like that. Society makes me wonder sometimes<<
Technically speaking, you're part of this category too Mr. Life Begins at Conseption.
"you can't deny the fact that once that sperm and egg join, nothing short of some natural cuase or horrible tragedy is going to prevent those cells from becoming a child."
you can't deny the fact that once a woman reaches puberty, nothing short of some natural cuase or horrible tragedy is going to prevent each of those eggs from becoming a child.
Rape prevents murder!
Besides the things that have been stated here, it's somehow better to kill the mother, which will kill the fetus too, than just killing the fetus?
Is this the "thou shalt not kill, but if you kill more people then it's ok" part of Christianity?
And God said unto the World, "Yea, I say unto you, that there is a typo in My Book. The Commandment should read 'Though shalt not kill in quantities lower than two.'"
"And I'll be honest, I think people who are making the decision on when "life is life" and when it's "Just a group of cells" must think they have Godlike knowledge, to make a decision like that. Society makes me wonder sometimes :/"
Fundies claim life begins at conception. Apparently they think they have Godlike knowledge. They must really make you wonder.
"Nothing short of some natural cuase [sic] or horrible tragedy is going to prevent those cells from becoming a child."
You mean like the fact that over half of pregnancies end in spontaneous miscarriage, usually before the woman even realizes she's pregnant? That God of yours is the biggest abortionist of all.
I mean lets face it, even scientifically speaking, you can't deny the fact that once that sperm and egg join, nothing short of some natural cuase or horrible tragedy is going to prevent those cells from becoming a child.
Like, um... about a million mutations gone wrong, morning after pills, hormonal switches, irritations to the uterus, vitamin C, about at least a dozen of foods most of us eat every day, harder blows, too strong sports activity, and these are just SOME of those that happen ONLY WHEN the fertilized egg reaches the uterus. Imagine all those others, though.
"Going by that argument though, wouldn't it be more logical to kill the mother"
no.
"nothing short of some natural cuase or horrible tragedy is going to prevent those cells from becoming a child"
yep, that pretty much covers it. I don't see your point.
"I mean lets face it, even scientifically speaking, you can't deny the fact that once that sperm and egg join, nothing short of some natural cuase or horrible tragedy is going to prevent those cells from becoming a child."
Well, nothing short of some natural cause or some unnatural cause.
"And I'll be honest,"
That would be good.
"I think people who are making the decision on when "life is life" and when it's "Just a group of cells" must think they have Godlike knowledge, to make a decision like that."
So, we should let someone ELSE decide for us? We should leave it up to YOU?
"Society makes me wonder sometimes."
I bet lots of simple things make you wonder.
"I like how he ignores the 9 months of work the mother's body has to do to sustain the fetus. Apparently, that doesn't count. "
They all do that. I just don't understand how they can think that pregnancy has no affect on the woman's body or that she's just some passive participant who doesn't contribute at all to the pregnancy.
And yet, at the same time, many will argue that the guy should have a (i.e., the final) say in whether the woman gets an abortion because he contributed half the genetics.
...you can't deny the fact that once that sperm and egg join, nothing short of some natural cuase or horrible tragedy is going to prevent those cells from becoming a child.
So, aside from horrible tragedies, and natural causes, we would have...?
A group of cells is alive. Duh.
If the issue was 'preserving life' then anti-abortionists should not be allowed to eat either, not even vegetables. Tomatoes are alive too...
SO The issue is NOT 'life,' and I wish religious anti-abortionists would stop pretendign that it is.
<<< I mean lets face it, even scientifically speaking, you can't deny the fact that once that sperm and egg join, nothing short of some natural cuase or horrible tragedy is going to prevent those cells from becoming a child. >>>
No shit. Relevance (especially since "some natural cause" is estimated to wipe out about 90% of those cells)?
<<< So simply becuase it's in a lesser stage of developement it no longer has rights? >>>
No, it doesn't have those rights yet because the factors that make a fetus/embryo/child morally relevant (capability to feel pain, desire continued existence) are not yet present.
We get it. You think we should be killed for the hideous crime of having sex with someone who isn't you. You also think men have no responsibility whatsoever for birth control. After all, it's the stupid incubator's fault for getting herself pregnant, isn't it? It's got nothing to do with the man sticking his dick in her every chance he gets, oh no!
Go back to prehistory. We don't want you here.
Well, my argument is that having an abortion doesn't really do that much. I doubt anyone here would claim a stream of consciousness starting before birth, so if you gotta, you could. And you'd kill the mother? That's some logic. Really the thing about all these laws is that they don't affect that much, I can barely see me advocating them for any personal reason other than consistency. Humans adapt.
"...rather then killing an "unthinking bunch of cells" that might actually do something with it's life? "
I mean, unlike the incubator--er, woman--am I right, fellas?
"Going by that argument though, wouldn't it be more logical to" tl;dr...
Yes, that's nice dear. (*Performs 'Patronise You no Jutsu'; pats Strider2k on head *)
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