[After another user explains how "under God" wasn't added to the Pledge of Allegiance until the Red Scare of the 1950s]
"I've never heard anything rometly close to this and it almost seems this sort of thing was made up so people who want "under God" romoved can cover their tracks."
[And then, later on in the same conversation]
"I remember learning about America in freaking middle school and I've never heard the "red scare" in all my life."
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Actually, I live in a state that supposedly has a quality education system, and it seemed to me that even here, history lessons tend to end right after World War IIjust before the Red Scare. So I actually empathize with that last comment to an extremely limited extent. After all, there's plenty of other references to the Red Scare outside of school. So, yeah, it is otherwise full of despicably willful ignorance.
"I've never heard anything rometly close to this and it almost seems this sort of thing was made up so people who want "under God" romoved can cover their tracks."
No, this sort of thing is made up so people who want the first amendment removed can cover their tracks.
Fundie education in action.
"I've never heard anything rometly close to this and it almost seems this sort of thing was made up so people who want "under God" romoved can cover their tracks."
Well, you're certainly not well informed.
"I remember learning about America in freaking middle school and I've never heard the "red scare" in all my life."
You can't be serious.
Ah, a favorite anti-evolution argument, now wrapped in a flag: I'm too dumb to have heard of it/understand it, and don't have the brains or balls to go find actual facts, so it must not be true.
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That was about par for the course for my grade-school history classes as well. Although the last few chapters of every U.S. History textbook cover the events between WWII and the book's publication, I don't think any of my classes ever got to that point.
That's no excuse, though, for this person being so ignorant about such an important and infamous time in American history, unless he is still in fact in middle school.
I can believe that Masked_Chris didn't learn about it in school. I grew up in a supposedly liberal county with a lavishly funded and supposedly good school system, and we didn't learn about the Red Scare (or Reconstruction, or just about anything in which Native Americans might have been involved). (Yet people say that our schools need to be dumbed down further.) On the other hand, that doesn't excuse anyone from finding out about such things outside of class, especially when someone else has presented the facts with a source.
I live in Britain... and I'd heard of both the Red Scare AND the fact "Under God" wasn't in the Pledge of Allegiance until well into the 20th Century. How can he NOT have??
So many stupid people. So many...
Congrats, M_C, you are officially a rotard.
[...rometly...romoved...]
...oh, I understand, you went to freaking school, and I'm sure you graduated cum loudy.
You're still a rotard.
I remember learning about America in freaking middle school and I've never heard the "red scare" in all my life.
If you'd made it into High School, you would.
I remember learning about the red scare in government class. I had a kick ass teacher (although she was a bitch to me when I was gone from school for a week because of the flu).
But yea, that sort of primal fear inspired discrimination tends to stick out in your mind.
I've never heard the "red scare" in all my life
I lived through it. I remember in grade school we'd have these H-bomb attack drills where we'd all line up facing the wall with our faces buried in our folded arms - like that really would have helped. If there had actually been an attack, we should have had our heads between our legs so we could kiss our asses goodbye.
"I remember learning about America in freaking middle school and I've never heard the 'red scare' in all my life."
As you clearly demonstrate, just because one went to school doesn't mean one actually learned anything.
All you need to learn about history is in the bible, my fundie Padawan.
If I ever learned about the "red scare" in school, I don't remember it. (Then again, back then, history wasn't exactly my favorite subject...) However, I know I can assuage my ignorance with a simple, ten-second Wikipedia search. How people could so adamantly refuse to do any research on things is astounding. Off to Wikipedia now.
EDIT: Okay, now I know why I don't remember it. We learned it as the "Red Menace", I'm pretty sure. Anyway, that was quite an interesting read.
"I've never heard anything rometly close to this and it almost seems this sort of thing was made up so people who want "under God" romoved can cover their tracks." 'I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.' http://history.vineyard.net/pledge.htm
"I remember learning about America in freaking middle school and I've never heard the "red scare" in all my life."
This doesn't really surprise me.
In the state of texas (where I went to high school), U.S. History stops at the Vietnam War, because at 5 hours a week in a history classroom, there's apparently never enough time to get into the 1980s. Anyone that wanted to read on past 1980 was welcome to, but 1979 was where high-school level U.S. history ended.
Also, Joseph McCarthy has informed me you're being blacklisted from society. Enjoy!
Perhaps any teacher who gives lessons on the Red Scare gets blacklisted?
I grew up in the UK, and while we didn't learn about that particular topic in history class (it was all Nazis, pyramids and the Roman Conquest) it's not as if there's a shortage of books, movies, TV programs etc. on the subject.
I learned about both these things in my AP U.S. History class in high school. The teacher was a pretty conservative republican. He'd probably grab you by the head and inform you that you were betraying America by not knowing these things, and thus having no background as to how to keep them from happening again.
As an aside, he'd also always make great pains to point out the good that various influential republicans had done. With McCarthy, he simply said "I've got nothing. I hope he at least meant well."
The Pledge of Allegiance was modified by a "group" called the Knights of Columbus. They thought that "under god" was a necessary addition and this was done during the 50s (although they apparently had tried before).
Its a sad testament that the forefathers of the americans were more secular than our enlightened ones.
Oh and the Red Menace was the Ruskies. Thanks for playing "US RECENT HISTORY HERO!"
Either someone wasn't paying attention in history, or our education system is going to shit. I'll bet a combination, with most of the blame on the first option. This guy is an idiot who only listens to info that justifies his already-held beliefs.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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