[This was in reply to: Do you believe in god?"]
Yes, because of Jesus. We can know without doubt that the Gospel records give an accurate summary of his life and teachings (textual criticism/ confirmation from other contemporary documents). He made many claims to be God:
eg
I and the Father are One
He who has seen me has seen the Father
Before Abraham was, I am.
Only God can forgive sins (and Jesus did)
Only God can calm the storm (and he did)
etc
Now if Jesus made these claims there are three possibilities:
1)He was lying- in which case, he was not a good person, not a good teacher
2)He was a lunatic- I might as well follow The Great Poached Egg
3) He was who he said he was :Lord and God.
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I think that you are the victim of simple misinterpretation. There is only ONE verse in the entire bible that discussed the "trinity", and it, too, was deliberately altered (misinterpreted/translated).
That being said, there are plenty of other choices, regarding the validity of Christianity.
Personally, I chose number two.
We can know without doubt that the Gospel records give an accurate summary of his life and teachings (textual criticism/ confirmation from other contemporary documents).
?????!!!!!EleventySHFT!???
Where's my picture of Bizarro...
Or
# 4 Jesus is a myth & everything he reportedly said or did is a fiction.
or
#5 Jesus existed but few of the stories about him or the reports of what he said are accurate - the writers were merely trying to portray him a certain way.
or
#6 Jesus did none of those things and the reports of what he said have been grossly misinterpreted.
Well what do you know. Guess I kinda destroyed your trilemma huh?
We can know without doubt that the Gospel records give an accurate summary of his life and teachings (textual criticism/ confirmation from other contemporary documents).
Then tell us when Jesus was born. Also, tell us what happened during the Passion, and in what order.
We can know without doubt that the Gospel records give an accurate summary of his life and teachings
PIOUS FRAUD! We know without doubt that some, if not all, of the Gospels are works of fiction...
I wonder how they feel about being taken in by a 2,000 year old hoax?
If you're going to quote, quote accurately. If you're going to paraphrase, do it gracefully. Incidentally, there is no confirmation whatsoever of the gospels in contemporary documents. No one -- absolutely no one -- who lived at the time of Jesus made any any reference to him whatsoever.
Your Jesus is probably an amalgam of religious nuts who have kept popping up in Judea during the Roman occupation. There may have been one representative individual upon which all the myths and legends, actions and words of the other nuts were bestowed. This would account for the contradictions in the stories called Gospels.
If this is the case, your three choices are invalid.
To prove their validity, you need proof that a single individual said and did what the Gospels say he said and did. You'll have to prove virgin birth among humans is possible. You'll have to prove that he was crucified and rose from the dead.
Good luck.
We can know without doubt that the Gospel records give an accurate summary of his life and teachings...
...except for the bits that happened between being a young boy and suddenly showing up as a 30 year old desert rat. Isn't it strange how the coverage of the central character of the New Testament has that enormous gap in it?
@Jack Bauer
Heretic! Marmite is an abomination unto him! Yay, even it's very stench offends his nostrils!
Butter thy toasted bread and cut it into soldiers if you do not want to face his wrath and hellfire.
Out of all the Yeshuas running preaching around that period, the Yeshua of your bible is an amazing anomoly, in that he appears in no other contemporary text. Not in the census, not in the prison records, in the execution records, anyways. Given how big of a deal Crucifixion was, and that it was specifically done TO MAKE AN EXAMPLE of the person crucified, that his name and reason for being crucified weren't recorded is extremely curious.
It is beyond me that someone with enough intelligence to turn on a computer, log on to the internet and get to a particular wesbite could state that the gospels are, without doubt, an accurate summary. How stupid. There is no chance that the gospels are inaccurate or just plain bullshit? I mean really.
Oh yes, the old "Lord, liar, or lunatic" thing. But I like how singwell "refutes" it:
"1)He was lying- in which case, he was not a good person, not a good teacher"
And that's not possible...how?
Although I personally think it's more likely that Jesus simply never said the things that later authors claimed he said.
And the Great Poached Egg would almost certainly be more ethical than your god.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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