"I have heard it is logically impossible for John to have been alive for Jesus lifetime."
Wow. That's pretty crazy. Especially since the authors of the books of the New Testament knew Each other (except Paul) and wrote of their goings-on with each other, just as my best friend and I might write, "I spoke to Joe and then he went to town" and they write, "I talked to Tom before I went to town."
There's plenty of nuts on the net.
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"Wow. That's pretty crazy. Especially since the authors of the books of the New Testament knew Each other (except Paul) and wrote of their goings-on with each other, just as my best friend and I might write, "I spoke to Joe and then he went to town" and they write, "I talked to Tom before I went to town.""
Just as many other fictional characters have been known to do in countless books.
"There's plenty of nuts on the net."
Takes one to know one, I presume.
You just made it significantly more difficult to explain away all their glaring omissions and contradictions. Besides, whether the authors of the various gospels knew each other or not has no bearing on whether they were alive, and old enough to objectively observe and accurately remember the relevant events, at the time of Jesus (and I'm pretty sure they weren't.)
According to Biblical scholars no one knows who wrote the NT. The traditional use of the names Matthew, Mark, Luke and John is simply an academic convenience. It is, however, a certainty that the authors did not know one another. Further, the first book, Mark, was written some 40 years after the events it purports to describe. The next three were written over the next 40 or fifty years. The actual first Christian writings were those of Paul, who wrote about 20 years after the supposed crucifixion. Only half of his letters are considered genuine. And there is no indication that he knew anything of a historical person named Jesus. There are no biographical references. It seems obvious he is describing a savior who exists in a spiritual dimension.
Where is this evidence that the "authors" knew each other, besides in your beloved Babble of course? There is no evidence. On the flipside, we actually have evidence that they DIDN'T know each other at all.
Especially since the authors of the books of the New Testament knew Each other
Don't tell me you think the gospels are named after their authors? gMark is written by at least three different persons and nobody knows who they were.
The rest of the gospels are also anonymous, it's doubtful that someone named Paul even existed much less wrote the Acts and the various letters.
How stupid can you be?
@Old Viking
You took the words right out of my mouth, but this part is completely new to me: "And there is no indication that he knew anything of a historical person named Jesus. There are no biographical references. It seems obvious he is describing a savior who exists in a spiritual dimension." Can you/anyone provide a source?
You know if Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John really knew each other couldn't they have done a better job of cross-checking with each other so their Gospels wouldn't contradict each other so much?
Headache
"it's doubtful that someone named Paul even existed much less wrote the Acts"
Actually Acts is attributed to the author of Luke, and not to Paul.
Norm
Can you prove that the writer's of the gospel's were the people they say they were?
You can't. You accept that on blind faith, and that is why you fail.
"Hey, what are you writing about in your part of the Bible?"
"Um, stuff. Why?"
"Well, I thought it would make more sense if we all agreed since we ARE all telling the same story."
"yeah, it would make sense. Hey, did you catch the Packers game last night!?"
"FUCK YEAH"
Ask your mommy to get you a Bible for Christmas this years so that you can ACTUALLY READ IT.
the authors of the books of the New Testament knew Each other
You'd think they could get their stories straight, then, and not have Matthew saying Judas hanged himself and Luke saying he tripped and fell, or John calling one of the disciples Nathaniel while the rest called him Bartholomew.
Well, if the Author of the Gospel of John for example wrote something about one of Jesus Disciples with the name of Mathew, that doesn´t mean that he wrote about the author of the gospel of Mathew as the 4 gospels were not written by Jesus disciples whose names they bear ;)
The knowledge about the early history of the christian religion is weak in christian fundamentalists, as usual (no surprise there, as they seem to put more weight on all the passages of the old testament they like and seem to see Jesus only as someone who throws all people they don´t like into hell and carries all christian fundamentalists into heaven short before Armageddon)
There's plenty of nuts on the net.
and about the NT authors being bud buds, what was needed to be said has been said already
The NT is nothing but lies and bullshit. It's history is too, which is why fundies are apt to accept it quickly. Of course the Gospel of Matthew was written by Matthew, who else could have wrote it? There's no outside historical evidence that the books in the NT were written who fundies think they were written by. There's no outside historical evidence that anything that happened in the NT actually happened. There's no proof for the NT, period.
@Seigi no Mikata
If you look at the letters supposedly written by Paul, there is nothing in there of historical significance, like what you might find in the Gospels. All of Paul's letters are theological and mystical in nature, which suggests that either Paul wasn't aware of the "historical Jesus", or didn't think that it mattered. We can learn from the NT itself that Paul had never met Jesus, his conversion on the road to Damascus notwithstanding. Even if the Damascus event were real, it was not a physcial meeting, Paul's experience was mystical. Paul was writting about spiritality, not history. Therefore, Paul's letters are of little to no historical significance, and do nothing to prove that Jesus of Nazareth was a historical person. Paul gives no evidence that he even sees it as important if Jesus never existed. To Paul, Jesus is only as real as Zeus, or Horus, or any other mythical being. Paul's main concern was the spiritual and mystical, it mattered not whether Jesus was historical or not. I know this is a little unorganized and repetitive, but I hope it helps.
"Especially since the authors of the books of the New Testament knew Each other (except Paul)"
I think you just accidentally said something right, here. If you had actually read your bible, you would find that the Book of Acts connects Paul to the other Apostles, including Matthew and John.
Except...that no one knows who wrote the gospels. The Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were just names applied to the texts. In those days it was quite common to write in the name of someone who was admired...
And for people who were supposed to have know each other adn Jesus, they diverge, contracidct and otherwise disagree to a notable extent. Why didn't they cross-check with each other?
First of all, the apostles of Christ would not have
Could somebody provide links to where I might find non-fundie bible history information (such as what is being said about Paul)?
I am rather interested in this topic, as an ex-catholic atheist, and would appreciate an URL or two. :)
Itkovian
Paul converted Luke of Antioch long after the crucifixion.
For Luke to be narrating something that he never witnessed doesn't add up.
The synoptic gospels are said to have plagiarized a document much like the gospel of Thomas.
"There's plenty of nuts on the net."
And you are one of them.
Matthew, Mark, Luke and John didn't write Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Paul didn't write Ephesians and Colossians.
All are well-known forgeries.
Only a dismally ignorant moron would claim otherwise.
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