[I said this in a previous post and it's from a research article so don't assume when you haven't done your research!]
Actually my senior project was on abortion, so im pretty sure i did my research. I don't give a crap what "science" says. Doesn't science also say we evolved from monkeys? You can argue with me all you want because you have a right to, but a baby is a human being from the moment of conception. And thats all im going to say about it.
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'so im pretty sure i did my research. I don't give a crap what "science" says.'
I wonder what you consider 'research'.
I feel sorry for you, you seem pretty scared of life under it all..
"Doesn't science also say we evolved from monkeys?"
Not quite. It says we share a common ancestor with primates, specifically apes. If you go back far enough we're related to monkeys also but, then again, if you go back far enough we're related to everything on the planet.
"You can argue with me all you want because you have a right to, but a baby is a human being from the moment of conception."
No, technically at the moment of conception it's nothing more than a fertilized egg. A little while later it's a zygote. A short while after that it's a blastocyst. After it implants into the endometrium it's considered a fetus and then you can call it a baby/human if you'd like. It's still quite a long way off, structurally speaking, but at least pregnancy has actually taken place by that point.
"...a baby is a human being from the moment of conception."
Oh my God, you're right! It looks just like a human!
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Wow, a senior project. Well, that refutes all those evilutionist/communist/atheist/FSMist/etcist "scientists" with their fancy book-larnin' and PhLadeedas and "peer-reviewed journal articles" and doodahs and whatsits.
im pretty sure i did my research. I don't give a crap what "science" says
Ow. That high a density of fail really hurts.
a baby is a human being from the moment of conception
Strange, then, that it's damn near morphologically indistinguishable from any other vertebrate fetus for several weeks. Not to mention the lack of a heart or brain, which generally stops someone being a human ex utero. (Fundies excepted, of course.)
Wow, that didn't just fail - it was incoherent!
This was a senior project? This guy got through 3 YEARS of high school believing in this shite and not actually learning a thing? Great, all that tax money down the drain!
How can one do research on a matter of science without considering, well, science?
And didn't science give us computers and the internet? Or does McWilli think they were conjured from nothing by magic?
"You can argue with me all you want because you have a right to, but a baby is a human being from the moment of conception."
So...an egg is a chicken, too?
@Jon: I find that sort of offensive. But maybe it's because I'm a highschooler. We're not all like mcwilli.
@mcwilli: I'm sure you were quite happy with your F, weren't you?
Nice to know middleschools have senior projects! If you actually know this little about evolution, biology, and grammar as a High School senior, then your seriously need to repeat some grades.
@WM
Not meant to be a blanket statement. I just wanted to point out to McWilli here that trying to persuade an audience isn't as easy when the audience can refute your point.
In most high schools, students are not permitted to do much more than ask questions to clarify points that a speaker might have glossed over.
Nope, fail.
"Common ancestor." Say it with me now. You and I have a common ancestor, no more than about 50 generations ago. This is not the same as saying you are my grandfather. It's saying our genetic similarity is explained by, wait for it... THE WAY GENES ARE TRANSMITTED!!! Eleventy!
A single cell does not a human being make.
Also, you fail at grammar.
"but a baby is a human being from the moment of conception"
....with no cell differentiation, no organs, no nervous system at all, and no capacity for thought or pain....hmmm, does sound a little bit like a fundie, but nothing like a fully-formed human being.
PS If God is so anti-abortion, why is there nothing in the Bible about it? More to the point, why does he abort up to half of all pregnancies through miscarriages?
So you define human being as two incomplete sets of chromosomes which have yet to fuse.
you know, that explains a LOT?
"PS If God is so anti-abortion, why is there nothing in the Bible about it?"
There are a few verses in the bible that refer to killing a fetus. They don't exactly help the anti-abortionists' case very much, so I'm guessing that's why they don't put scriptural quotations on their abortion signs. Mostly it's mentioned in context of penalties for killing, and while it is very serious to kill a man, woman, or child (in that order), causing a miscarriage is simply a fine of 10 gold pieces or something. It's considered no more serious than causing the death of a slave by beating.
Exodus 21:22
22 "If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely [e] but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows. 23 But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.
As an aside, there is a quote from the bible, "does a woman forget the child OF her womb" and the Catholic Church changed the scripture rather blatantly in their hymn lyrics so they can sing the child WITHIN her womb, and make it an anti-abortion song. Oh well, at least the Catholic church isn't so fussy about taking scripture literally.
YEs, we are always human beings. But we gradually became humans from monkeys, via divergent evolution.
And so, "All you're going to say about it" is a false statement used to back up a fallacious generalization.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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