There are several appauling tricks atheists use to deny logic, but one of the most agregeious (sp?) is the use of strawman argument in relation to questions of origin.
Atheist says: where did God come from?
Theist says: God did not come from anywhere God always was
Atheist says: that is special pleading.
they are insisting you must accept my straw man! It is so because it's not what we believe! you cant' call theistic belief "special pleading" because that's the belief itself. Now it could be used as special pleading at some point but this is not that point!
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OK, you lost me. A "strawman" argument is when one side portrays the position or statements of the opposition as other than they actually are to facilitate an easy rebuttal. For example, when fundies claim that if humans evolved from monkeys, then there should't be any monkeys around anymore, that's a strawman since evolution claims no such thing. This is a blatant misrepresentation of the opposing position.do make exactly the claim that "God did not come from anywhere God always was," or in literate English, that God possesses the quality of infinite existence and is an event without causality.
Christians do say exactly that. It is not a misrepresentation of the Theist's position, so therefore it is not a strawman argument.
Well, it comes down to this -- there is either one or zero creators. As it happens, there is little or no difference between n(gods)=1 and n(gods)=0, and if there is a difference no one has ever been able to coherently argue what that difference would be.
"Atheists use strawman arguments, they say things like..."
You do not know what a straw man is. You also evidently don't know what special pleading means.you cant' call theistic belief "special pleading" because that's the belief itself. Now it could be used as special pleading at some point but this is not that point!
How clever - your religious belief is that special pleading is allowed. Sorry, but that only makes you tax exempt. It doesn't make you logic exempt.
Don't plead Metacrock, it's a sign of weakness! Wait a minute, go ahead and plead, it's the strongest part of your arguement!
Strawman?. Let me see. You discredit evolution because, according to you, the world can´t come from nothing, there must be a creator. Well, if God comes from nothing, what on earth are you talking about?
Dude, this place was already here when we got here. We were offered one hell of a morgage deal on the place too, dude called Lucifer. Anyway, only down side was the small print about that whole having to visit for a while, wish I hadn't missed that thing
"they are insisting you must accept my straw man! It is so because it's not what we believe! you cant' call theistic belief "special pleading" because that's the belief itself. Now it could be used as special pleading at some point but this is not that point!"
"Its' plyaing with logic terms to get away with their own illogic."
Mirror, mirror on the wall...
A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and is cast out for what he knows.
How can one trust a compendium of badly translated babylonian fairy tales written by a bunch of semi-literate goat sodomisers?
Metacrock or Megacrock? So many spelling mistakes.
"appauling" "agregeious" "Its'" "plyaing" "cant'"
Logic from someone without a proper command of the English language, as well as spelling and punctuation of such, is worth less than zero. Certainly not worth acknowledgement in a proper argument or debate. And the Cambridge Union Society, which has hosted esteemed thinkers, philosophers, theologians etc. - both religious and Atheist - would laugh you out of the university, never mind vote on who won the debate, Metacrock.
@Jezebel's Evil Sister
"Great screenname - That IS a big chunk of crock!"
Hey, I never metacrock I didn't like!
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(and crocodiles & alligators are awesome reptiles. As long as you're a fair distance away when viewing them, that is!)
The Bible says (paraphrased) "in the beginning there was god and nothing else" That's the Bible's entire word on his existance. It never said he always has been, just longer than us or the world.
The Christian stand that God Has always been, trancends time or exists outside of such constaits is Dogma, religious embelishment. It's YOUR argument that EVERYTHING MUST have a CREATOR, not ours.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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