Freeman: Joel is right, the earth is not flat. For the flat earthers out there, why can polaris only be seen from the northern hemisphere? The southern hemisphere will never see polaris. This proves the earth is round.?

Mark Mywords: I don't Freeman, why can I see cities that are over the curve of the earth, when, based on distance and Earth's curvature, it should be impossible? Joel is a false teacher. Proof is in how he mis-uses the Bible to make it say whatever he wants it to.?

Freeman: Answer my question, then I will answer yours. Its simple fact that the north star cannot be seen from the southern hemisphere, but everyone when in the northern hemisphere can see it. When at the equator it will only be on your horizon, while at the north pole it will be at your zenith. How do you explain this??

Mark Mywords: I don't have an answer to your question, I haven't gotten that far (that's my answer). Instead I can do "real" science (observable and repeatable). Know the distance between two points, knowing the earth's curvature and using my telescope, I can see cities are impossible to see on "your" ball earth. Proving that the Earth is NOT a ball. And the Bible does NOT support a Heliocentric universe (unless you misuse the Bible the way Richarson and Heiser do).?

Mark Mywords: Once we know the Earth is flat (and it is) we don't have to keep proving it over and over. We progress to the question "why?". Why are people lying about the shape of the Earth? Why do christians believe these lies? And the answers take us to the source and understanding of it all: There are a religious group of people who are dedicated to making their religion both "the" religion and "the" government of the who world. They accomplish this by deceiving all people, from childhood (schools) to adulthood. Anyone who discovers the truth is called a "Conspiracy Theorist" or a "Moron." by those who are still under the delusion. Only a few people ever look into thinhs enough to find out what is really going on.That makes you, Joel, and Heisner all under this delusion. Blind, but arrogant of their "supposed" knowledge. You are a member of a Pagan Church that began 5000 years ago, and has survived until today. And you don't even know it....so sad.?

Freeman: Mark Mywords Cities being visible on the horizon does not prove the earth is flat. If a sailboat is on the horizon of the sea and you were looking at it with a telescope, you would still see the sails; however, the hull would not be seen as it is underneath the horizon line caused by the curvature of the earth. The same is true of buildings. You can see a tall building miles and miles on the horizon, because it rises well above the horizon line. You would not be able to see ALL of the building though as some of it will be hidden. I gave you the simplest way to prove that the earth is round. Ask anyone in Australia if they can see Polaris... they can't! Just as many in the northern hemisphere will never see the southern cross. Another example is the shadow that the earth casts on the moon is ROUND during an eclipse, or do you believe that is faked as well and the moon is artificial? Go outside and check for yourself with your telescope the next lunar eclipse. These are all verifiable facts. If you search for the truth without a confirmation bias through the help of the Holy Spirit., you will find the truth.?

Mark Mywords: Freeman...that is incorrect. We can see way more of cities over lakes than we should be according the Earth's Curvature. This has been proven by science (both observable and repeatable). As for sailboats, that was solved by the same perspective. When the boat is far enough away, you shouldn't see "any" of the boat. And yet, we can. You really don't understand the curvature of the Earth, or you wouldn't be arguing it so poorly. And since Flat Earth is so far behind, because of the many of years of Ball-Earth indoctrination, it will take time for the truth to be understood. You understand things from a pagan point of view. Who does the Bible say is the "god" of this world? Do you believe that we evolved from monkeys and rocks? Not if you believe the Bible. And if the "world" lies about where man comes from, what makes you think you can trust anything it says/teaches? You are still listening to the "god" of this world, which according to the Bible, is Satan. As for the Holy Spirit, I have the Word of God, and the Holy Spirit confirms the Word. Try doing a search on the countless Scripture that denies the Heliocentric and Globe Earth Model, without using the false teachings of Joel Richardson and Michael Heisner. People like these shouldn't be teaching the Bible at all.?

Freeman: Mark Mywords I have made my case. I'm done trying to support it. You don't have anything to say about the shadow of the earth on the moon being circular during a lunar eclipse though, huh? Either way, at the end of the day it's not a doctrine of salvation. I can believe the earth is round and you can believe the earth is flat. Fine. We will both go to heaven even if we disagree, and God will make all things clear as Luke 8:17 tells us. May God bless you, and I wish you the best.?

Mark Mywords: I have already proven Flat Earth by the "lack" of curvature. It really doesn't get any simpler than that. You should look into it. Why would I need to care about the shadow of the moon, Polaris, or any other attempt to fool me back into the satanic delusions of this world? I have "seen" the Flat Earth with my own eyes. Why would I need pseudo-science to try to fool me again? If you really believe the Bible, then read the many verses that disprove the Heliocentric Globe Model, which you received by faith, from the "world." (satan's kingdom). Otherwise, how can you truly understand what God has made? And if you won't do it, then stop preaching a lie that you clearly don't understand. You are deceiving other Christians and keeping them from learning the truth, just as Joel and Michael do by twisting the Bible to say what they want it to, rather than reading for what it says.?