Wow that there Old Testament can be brutal.
But honestly they did what they had to do. In those days there where a number of reason to kill everything you saw in a city which you where taking.
1.) Illnesses. Foreign people had plagues which would kill you. The Jews knew this and killed them all.
2.) Revenge. The Jews knew full well that if any of the survivors, even the children where to make it to their cousins or ally nations then they'd rat em out and the Jews would be killed.
3.) Slaves. The Jews also did not like slave revolts. If you take a people into bondage then they will rise up and kill you later. So kill them first.
People this was also before the world knew the notions of Peace, Forgiveness and Rational Thought. Seriously those concepts had not been "invented" yet. You did not forgive anyone pre-Christ. Rational Thought made its appearance in the 1500s. We still have mastered Peace.
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Well, can you tell me why, for WHATEVER reason, the Jews were the slaves? Were they killing themselves because they were scared of each other?! No...
And really, I would not be back talking your Jewish god. Aren't you supposed to be like "oh no, don't hate me, all mighty!" ? I think we should just all be friends.
Wow! That's fucking scary. What Olak seems to be forgetting though is that *God* ordered the people to do these things. Surely an omnipotent being could have made it so the Israelites were unaffected by the plagues and the survivors wouldn't revolt or seek revenge. Apparently, those things were a little too tough for 'God'. I'm not sure that anything convinces me that YHWH is a myth so much as how weak he seems in the OT. Almost like a primitive tribal god that bronze-age people would invent.
I thought Thou Shalt Not Kill was a commandment in the Old Testament that he is referring to.
So what you are really saying is that your whole book was written by people who did not have the notions of Peace, Forgiveness and Rational Thought.
That's what we have been trying to tell you. Glad you finally understand.
@ Danny: My thoughts exactly.
If the Judeo-Christian god were in any way real, I would expect to see the ancient Hebrew culture to be far advanced beyond its time; after all it had been in contact with a perfect, all knowing god. This is not the case.
In those days there where a number of reason to kill everything you saw in a city which you where taking.
Even if that were true and there were valid reasons to justify such a thing, the people you are defending sure as fuck had none. If they wiped out entire cities, they did it for no reason other than blind obedience to the commands attributed to their insane, psychotic deity.
Well, I'm getting confused.
Just tell God we need another Official Word, and have Him put it on the Internet or something, so we don't have to waste time printing it.
1. Who gave us the illnesses? Who is ultimately responsible for them? Just guess...
"People this was also before the world knew the notions of Peace, Forgiveness and Rational Thought."
ORLY? Hell of a job your God did, then. Non-interventionist, much?
" You did not forgive anyone pre-Christ. Rational Thought made its appearance in the 1500s."
SO. MUCH. FAIL!!!
Thou. Shalt. Not. Kill.
What the fuck is unclear about that one simple sentence?
Seriously those concepts had not been "invented" yet.
Wait. I thought your God supposedly created EVERYTHING and yet he didn't manage to teach people about forgiveness or rational thought until AFTER Christ came on the scene? Your God is just one giant billboard for incompetence, isn't he.
Killing is a good thing?
Since when?
1.) Illnesses. The Jews had - still have - a culture of cleanliness which others cultures of the time did not have.
2.) and 3.) tell me your god - any god - is full of shit.
"Rational Thought made its appearance in the 1500s."
Kindly tell that to Thales, Erastothenes, and Euclid, just to name a few.
If you take a people into bondage then they will rise up and kill you later. So kill them first.
Capture and kill all of them, we can always make slaves out of them later, after they resurrect themselves.
People this was also before the world knew the notions of Peace, Forgiveness and Rational Thought. Seriously those concepts had not been "invented" yet. You did not forgive anyone pre-Christ. Rational Thought made its appearance in the 1500s. We still have mastered Peace.
Where to start? OK, PF&RT only came about after Christ, plus 1500 years - and I see the RT hasn't quite caught on with you yet. And how have we "still mastered Peace"? By having constant wars somewhere in the world?
"We still have mastered Peace."
That is a new one for me, show me how or where...
you know... pics or it didn't happen?
Still, that is ... almost accurate, but could you please tell me then why the hell do people follow that book if you admit it to be anachronical?
Surely, if there are reasons for those things, they would have been using rational thought in order to come up with those policies.
Why bother arguing against you when you've already contradicted yourself?
Ps. Don't bother capitalising "rational thought" when you can't even use it for yourself.
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