"This crazy person seems to think
that he or she is smarter than
he or she actually is."
You're probably right. But then, who doesn't?
"I guess a big  is in order here."
Darwin's Lil' Girl:
For info on the OTO, I recommend this website dedicated to that unpleasing sect - http://user.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/sunrise/xi.htm
"Yeah yeah, I'm sure that everybody in the throes of anal sex, as climax approaches, is thinking "Boy oh boy, I sure do hate God!""
I never said all sodomites were occultists. I never even said all occultists were sodomites (although that would be nearer the truth). I merely said there was a strong historical correlation between them.
"A lot of the stories about sodomy were made up by the Catholic Church to justify persecution. You have to be careful of accepting historical accounts when the only ones that survive were written by someone's enemies."
Well we all have our biases, don't we? If the Catholic Church were driven back into the catacombs (and it will be), how trustworthy would the subsequent historical accounts of its triumphant enemies be?
But the demonstrable fact that modern occultists have an affinity with ritual sodomy leads me to give the Church the benefit of the doubt in respect of medieval occultists.
"Example, I climb in bed to go to sleep. What are the moral implications of that?"
"I move a salt shaker from one side of the table to the other. Please explain the moral significance of my act."
IIRC, I clarified my original statement on the thread in question.
Not all physical acts are morally neutral.
Particularly not sexual acts.
"Physical acts in and of themselves are entirely morally neutral. The intent behind the act, however, and the effect the act has on the one acted upon, determine the morality.
Rather like magic, it's all about INTENT."
"It is not the act that is evil, it is the intent with which the act is performed that has the potential to be either good, evil, or neutral."
No one intentionally does evil. How do you determine whether an intent is good or evil?
"Sex alone is considered a magickal act in many cultures, so what? does that make it evil?"
No. But it makes "magick" evil.
"and that distinction of "anti-life", good god, you live in the 21 century, and morality is flexible enough to let you enjoy sex without being judged as an inmoral man.. as what was inmoral a thousand years ago is not inmoral now. "
And what is not immoral now may be immoral again in a thousand years. Think about it.
"If you wanted to you could live your life without shame or guilt for being a sexual person, like the rest of us... but of course he won't he wasn't raised tho be happy."
I've noticed this persistent liberal tic -- the belief that liberalism is so self-evidently good, true and beautiful that non-liberals cannot possibly be motivated by rational disagreement. No, it can only be motiveless malignity or psycho-sexual disorder.
A good way to avoid the trauma of critical thinking.
"LOL, Piltdown Man. I remember him from RDF. "
Ah, happy days. I even crossed swords with the legendary Calilasseia! Sadly, just as our discussion was getting interesting, the Blue Butterfly fluttered off back to fairyland, leaving his bumbling sidekick RaspK to carry on the futile fight.
"PZ hasn't banned him. Yet."
"Sleazy PZ" recently announced my expulsion from Pharyngula in a post brimming with excremental imagery.
I daresay I had it coming but I can't help fearing for the man's soul.