ok winter asked me what do i mean by an agenda- the reason why evolution got so popular was not because there has ever been any form of proof for it it is because it was a theory where in man could completely ignore a creator and feel free to live in flesh and sin.originally evolution was a RELIGION and came from babylon thousands of years ago and it is still a religion today because there is no true science behind it! infact all true science proves it to be true and many men with PHD's christian and non christian have said that this is one of the biggest hoax's ever pulled on humans. the reason that most scientists believe it is that they are sinply not willing to beleive the ONLY other option which is creation. and the truth is that not a few scienctists have lost jobs and had all publications refuse to publish there work when they have even suggested evolution to be proven untrue. Now when you spend that many years getting a degree and having a career then find out all evidence is against the theory that most accept it is a hard choice to be the one to stand up and say hey somethings not right here.
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"it is still a religion today because there is no true science behind it!"
Sounds like all religions to me, including yours.
Evolution: not a religion. Let me quote Disturbed for you:
Punk ass, are you listening
Can you hear me or are you deaf and dumb to my language
Do the real words seem to hurt you
Well put em' up motherfucker
You'll feel it
When I stamp it on your forehead
So you will never forget
That you're a reject
And you're a no one
And you're nothing
Little impotent one
You sound like you were watching the 700 club or something equally worthless. Just because a bunch of people tell you that there is no proof for evolution doens't mean the evidence is going away. It is there. Your other assertions are sweeping generalizations with no apparant base in anything resembling research or information.
Proven Evolutions purpose is to destroy people's unfounded belief in god? How paranoid are you people? No one cares about your god but you and yours. Evolution would exist no matter what you believe. If you had one percent of the proof for your skydaddy that evolution affords you wouldn't need 'faith', you'd have proof.
Just when you think you've heard every stupid hypothesis there is, along comes GPAY.
(Should someone tell him that "Western" Laws and morality came from Babylon, and those in the bible were discarded in favour of them.)
Evolution was a theory proposed by Darwin who was both English and born in the 19th century and, son of a preacher himself, probably agnostic and not affiliated to any church. And it´s not a hoax. Without it, most modern inventions and advances in medicine would not be possible.
Living free in flesh and sin sounds a whole lot better than living in anger, hatred, and spite, and the overwhelming fear that other people are enjoying their lives without buckling under the terror of a bloodthirsty, psychopathic war god.
I do like the one slip-up he made: "infact all true science proves it to be true..." He's so incoherent he can't even keep his own argument straight.
Great, here's another jerk who has no clue about science, the peer-review system, or grammar, yet feels obliged to spew forth his antiknowledge to the world on the Internet. Sometimes it's kind of funny, but the more often this happens, the more it just gets depressing.
~David D.G.
... not a few scienctists have lost jobs and had all publications refuse to publish there work when they have even suggested evolution to be proven untrue.
Michael Behe, one of the best known of the creationists, is a professor of biochemistry at Lehigh University. He certainly hasn't lost his job. Creationists have failed to publish because their work doesn't meet academic standards. In some cases, they have simply refused to do the necessary work for academic journals, because they can make more money publishing in the popular press and selling to fundies.
No one has ever offered positive evidence of creationism. All of the best-known arguments are negative: "evolution is wrong, therefore, creationism is right by default." The main arguments against evolution (those intelligent enough to be seriously replied to) all fall into one of several categories: the "argument from ignorance" (we don't know how blood clotting could have evolved; therefore, it didn't), the related "argument from personal incredulity" (I don't understand how an ape could evolve into a human; therefore, it didn't) or the "god of the gaps" argument (we don't have fossils of the missing links; therefore, God must have done it). No "research" depending on one of these arguments is going to be accepted by legitimate scientific journals.
The one remaining argument, William Dembski's mathematical "proof" that random processes can't produce "specified complexity" remains incomplete and mathematically flawed. He has so far declined to address legitimate objections.
Note that creation "scientists" like Behe and Dembski don't try to support biblical creationism. Biblical creationism doesn't just contradict evolution; it also contradicts physics, geology and astronomy. So just disproving evolution wouldn't help.
And how many o those PhD's have one in biology and how many one in theology?
How anyone could have a PhD in theology and still buy Christianity is beyond me....
Damn it, I keep hearing about the big scientist conspiracy. I'm an evolutionary biologist, and if there's a conspiracy, I want some bribes, people. If there's some info I'm hiding, I'd better be well paid to keep it there.
Poor sentence structure puts this "paragraph" into the real of nearly incomprehnisble.
It would be nearly incomprehensible even with decent sentence structure.
Let's see, a false dilemma, unsupported assertions up the wazoo, alleged conspiracies ... yeah, that's fundie all right.
and the truth is that not a few scienctists have lost jobs and had all publications refuse to publish there work when they have even suggested evolution to be proven untrue.
1) Hardly any papers against evolution even get submitted for peer-reviewed journals.
2) Those that have been submitted are laughably awful.
3) If your job is to observe the facts and understand them as best you can, and you instead ignore facts that don't fit your preconceived agenda, you are not doing your job and will probably lose your job.
4) Science has a far better track record of correcting itself and allowing dissent than religion does. Peer review, dissertation defenses - the whole idea is to have others go through and try to duplicate your results and make sure your description of them is accurate. If there is an obvious problem with your method, or your results are not independently reproduced, chances are they will be rejected.
"2) Those that have been submitted are laughably awful."
I smell another FSTDT submission.
I'm confused. My comment was in reference to the few "papers" creationists have submitted to peer-reviewed journals.
As I noted in another response, any legitimate scientist would kill to be able to disprove evolution. Fame and fortune would be his! I must admit, though, that thus far the only evidence we have for the truth of evolution comes from biology, microbiology, geology, paleontology, archaeology,genetics and a few other sciences that elude me at the moment.
All Carbon 14 tests clearly point toward a Young Earth.
If I didn't know you'd posted here before, that would be going up on the site as well, I think.
Crosis:
Yes thats what I meant. The papers submitted were laughably awful. The submissions to FSTDT are laughably awful.
If you can find some of these submissions, send them to this website. Then we can all play
science magazine editor and
scribble red marks all over the paper.
I see.
If I happen to run across one, I might just have to do that. But it doesn't seem likely.
the reason why evolution got so popular was not because there has ever been any form of proof for it it is because it was a theory where in man could completely ignore a creator and feel free to live in flesh and sin.
Since when does belief in evolution automatically make someone an atheist? It may keep them from being a fanatic Muslim, Jehovah's Witness or Baptist, maybe. It may require them to take a more metaphorical view of Genesis. But it doesn't stop them from believing in God. In any event, there are certainly as many creationists that "live in flesh and sin" as evolutionists. What's their excuse?
Great job disproving evolution! What peer-reviewed journal can I find it in? Oh, wait, it's not in a peer-reviewed journal, it's on an Internet message board. Why? Oh, a conspiracy. Right.
Suggesting that there is a conspiracy among scientists to suppress creationism is like suggesting there is a conspiracy among lottery winners to suppress the idea that the lottery can be won.
@Crosis
@joey444All Carbon 14 tests clearly point toward a Young Earth. If I didn't know you'd posted here before, that would be going up on the site as well, I think.
I think it's a joke based on creationist arguments. Since Carbon 14 is only accurate for dating within a range of 5,000 to 50,000 years, it would make the Earth look young. (Did I get it?)
I think it's a joke based on creationist arguments. Since Carbon 14 is only accurate for dating within a range of 5,000 to 50,000 years, it would make the Earth look young. (Did I get it?)
Ah. Even so, for objects older than that you can tell that they're older, you just can't tell how much older.
Your religion has Babalonian roots.
And Sumerian and Egyptian roots and shaped by Greek, Roman, and European Paganism roots.
Sensible people see this as cultural literature or myth. Your God came from the same sources.
Confused?
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