[After telling one woman he hoped she'd be raped and another that she deserves to be raped and beaten, and having someone point out that he sure seems to like fantasizing about women who disagree with him being raped.]
I didn't have any rape fantasies. That is all in your head. I bet you can't wait to have a baby boy... so you can fuck his nuts off when he is 2 y/o. I bet you can't keep your own son's dick out of your mouth until he is old enough to fend you off. If you breastfeed him, you will probably 69 him just for your enjoyment.
These are the tendancies that YOU display with your bullshit posts on this thread. You are really one sick and disturbed individual. You should be locked up for the safety of others, especially any kids that happens to be around you.
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This is very disturbing.
Brian, you should be concerned that these thoughts of yours are so close to the surface that you speak them so easily. This is much different then a story you read or watch where much time and thought has been put into something for 'entertainment's' sake (of course, i'm not talking of sick sexual things i just refer to the stories in general). These thoughts of yours are sick and dangerous and it is imperative that you seek help immediately. You are destined to become a horrible news story and a source of much therapy. PLEASE get help.
"I didn't have any rape fantasies. That is all in your head."
Beat around the bush all you want, asshole, but if you think a woman deserves to be raped just because he's not an aggressive anti-abortionist like you are, then your priorities are fucked up big time!
"I bet you can't wait to have a baby boy... so you can fuck his nuts off when he is 2 y/o. I bet you can't keep your own son's dick out of your mouth until he is old enough to fend you off. If you breastfeed him, you will probably 69 him just for your enjoyment."
Words fail me to utter what a completely fallacious straw man argument you've got. Just because someone is ok on abortion, doesn't mean (s)he's in for pedophilia or child molestation. Most of the pro-choice or pro-gay folks are wise enough to know how harmful and detrimental is molestation. And why is it that some of the christian fundies happen to be the ones with vilest sexual fantasies?
"These are the tendancies that YOU display with your bullshit posts on this thread. You are really one sick and disturbed individual. You should be locked up for the safety of others, especially any kids that happens to be around you."
The tendencies you display with your bullshit posts are far more dangerous! You are even sicker and more of a disturbed individual than any pro-choice woman could ever be! You should be locked up for the safety of others, including abortion clinic workers so that they will have one idiot with ski mask and shotgun less.
Fuck right off!
Well, mirroring your own psychopathic tendencies, aren´t you?. They haven´t said that, it´s you, because they disagree with you.
I said that these thoughts were indicative of mental illness, and he responded, "I described your typical night once, you keep reposting it. Why not focus on your disturbing and illegal behaviour?"
Which means that it's gone way past 'thoughts,' if we're going to use the standard 'you'='me' translation.
Brian has some very serious issues to deal with. Here is a person who is apparently unable to accept women as equals and channels his frustrations into feelings of aggression. As long as he doesn't act upon his aggression, the women around him will be safe. However, I also doubt that he will keep his feelings in check.
Well, Brian, you're the only one that's talking about rape around here and in great detail, might I add.
Oh, jesus... I just don't get it how anyone can even think these thoughts. How messed up must someone be in the head to think of 69 and breastfeeding, or oral sex on a toddler... oh, christ, I really didn't need those images. I feel sick.
I actually took my time to read some of the opening posts of the entire thread.
While nothing warrants Brian's arrogance and hatred, I'm afraid i have to admit that, at the risk of getting into a serious flame war with Sierra, i find problems with her reasoning and attitude too.
See, the entire thread was kicked off with a scenario:
let's say two people go out on a date, to make things easier-a man and a woman-everything goes great through out the date, as far as an outsider can tell. the end of the night comes, and the two people have sex, two days later, the man get charged with rape, the woman never said no, but says that she felt afraid to say anything.
is this considered rape or no?
Sierra's response?
Yes, I'd consider that rape. He doesn't have a snowball's chance of hell of being convicted (and it's very unlikely he'd even be charged or that she'd even report it), but a woman doesn't have to struggle/fight back in order for it to be rape, just like a person doesn't have to struggle/fight back in order to be mugged. If the threat of force is there, consent can't be freely given.
I'd say that's a little hasty reasoning. Methinks that woman is lacking in assertiveness and thus she might be intimidated with saying no in general. Now before Sierra jumps to the conclusion i'm some bigoted victim blamer, I'd like to point out that the usual rape cases are unpredictable, and not all women can prevent it. However, if that particular woman's problem was the general lack of assertiveness, then all she needs to do is to train her ability to assert herself so that saying "No" would not intimidate her again. If that problem is taken care of, she can avoid such uncomfortable scenarios and she can consent or say no, depending on her feelings at any given time. Or even if she will be raped, then that will be the real rapist and the girl is 100% warranted to report the case.
I'll have to chime in with stereom and Madame Scarlet. Sorry, Sierra, but you seem to have some underlying hidden assumptions in your scenario. If the girl feels pressured, but does not say or do anything to discourage the guy , that's not rape, because it isn't the guy's fault; he's not a mind reader.
Regarding the original post: BRRRRRR! This dude is seriously creepy, and he projects like a freakin' searchlight. "Rapist in Training" Award seems highly appropriate. Does anyone know how to direct this sort of thing to the proper authorities to check this guy out?
~David D.G.
Freud would be proud of you.
The defense mechanism of projection occurs when one does not directly acknowledge his own unacceptable impulses, but reverses the onus by attributing them to someone else instead.
Example:
If you become angry at someone but have a superego that interprets the hostile feelings as wrong, you may project your anger and see your target as angry and hostile towards you. Now you can act aggressively because it's just an act of self-defence or retaliation instead of unprovoked hostility.
Sound familiar? You are doing pretty much the same.
And Sierra, what is with that logic? Men can't read minds. Should we carry a standard contract for 1 (one) night of sexual favors from the person who is to sign it? You know, just so that someone won't claim that she didn't dare or wasn't able to "say no"?
I'd say that's a little hasty reasoning. Methinks that woman is lacking in assertiveness and thus she might be intimidated with saying no in general. Now before Sierra jumps to the conclusion i'm some bigoted victim blamer, I'd like to point out that the usual rape cases are unpredictable, and not all women can prevent it. However, if that particular woman's problem was the general lack of assertiveness, then all she needs to do is to train her ability to assert herself so that saying "No" would not intimidate her again. If that problem is taken care of, she can avoid such uncomfortable scenarios and she can consent or say no, depending on her feelings at any given time. Or even if she will be raped, then that will be the real rapist and the girl is 100% warranted to report the case.
The reason I said I thought it would be rape, which I believe I clarified later in the thread (I could be wrong), was that most rape victims never report their rapes to the police anyway. If she actually went to the police, and the police actually arrested the guy, she probably had a pretty legitimate reason to be afraid of him. Most everyone knows that women who report rapes are often not believed, blamed for their rapes, etc., so if the cops not only believed her but followed up on the case, it's unlikely that she just lacked "assertiveness."
But I think your point is fair, given that I didn't explain myself very thoroughly in that one post.
And Sierra, what is with that logic? Men can't read minds. Should we carry a standard contract for 1 (one) night of sexual favors from the person who is to sign it? You know, just so that someone won't claim that she didn't dare or wasn't able to "say no"?
Well, or you could ask her. Women aren't *that* hard to read. If you have any doubts about whether she really wants to do it, and you're that worried about being charged with rape, you could always not do it. Keep in mind that the conviction rate for (necessarily reported) rape is about 5%, and the reporting rate is only ~30%, in large part because this culture is full of victim-blaming assholes like those so often featured on the main page (I'm not saying you're victim-blaming, of course).
Going forward with a rape accusation is extremely difficult, and rapists get acquitted even when they VIDEOTAPE themselves gang-raping a drugged, unconscious girl (see the OC rape trial). In all seriousness, if you act like a decent human being (and even if you don't), it's very unlikely that anything bad will come of it.
I don't think Sierra is necessarily too far off the point here.
The mental element of rape is not the intent to rape but reckless disregard with regards to consent.
If so, the guy doesn't have to be a mindreader (and I hope the court never ever uses that standard) but if it is readily apparently that the person is simply not consenting (and here, I'm not certain that vocal protestations are actually necessary) then yes it is rape.
The scenario simply doesn't have enough facts and I think as the thread plays out it becomes clear that there was a conflation of two different issues i.e. was it rape as a legal concept (can it be proved) and was it really rape (subjectively)
The reason I said I thought it would be rape, which I believe I clarified later in the thread (I could be wrong), was that most rape victims never report their rapes to the police anyway. If she actually went to the police, and the police actually arrested the guy, she probably had a pretty legitimate reason to be afraid of him. Most everyone knows that women who report rapes are often not believed, blamed for their rapes, etc., so if the cops not only believed her but followed up on the case, it's unlikely that she just lacked "assertiveness."
I see what you mean. Although it's still unclear why that woman might have been (might have been, because i'm not sure if this scenario actually has happened in real life) afraid to say no to the man. Whether or not consider the man rapist depends on what underlies beneath the woman's reluctancy to refuse.
let's say two people go out on a date, to make things easier-a man and a woman-everything goes great through out the date, as far as an outsider can tell. the end of the night comes, and the two people have sex, two days later, the man get charged with rape, the woman never said no, but says that she felt afraid to say anything.
The biggest error Sierra made in answering this was in not asking for more information before answering. Sierra strikes me as intelligent and thoughtful however, it was a mistake to respond to facts not in evidence. This hypothetical situation was designed to snare and entrap because if you were to get details it would become more obvious if it were rape or not. The question was the test of responders, not the answer.
Nothing. Absolutely nothing excuses brian's hideous, rupulsive and abhorrent fulmination. He wastes oxygen with every breath.
Well, let me say something about that hypothesis. Just because a woman says that she has been raped, it doesn´t mean that the man will be charged. The innocence assumption remains. Moreover, and sadly, many women don´t report rape because they´re afraid that the guy will go away for lack of evidence.
that makes perfect sense.
he just had a couple of little typos.
he must have meant
I should be locked up for the safety of others, especially any kids that happens to be around me
wow, classic case of projection right there.
Where do you live Brian? I need to know so I can move as far away as is feasible.
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