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Regarding a teacher in the UK who is facing disciplinary action for after repeatedly proselytising to a student, even after being asked to stop by the girl's parents

I'm just appalled when I hear stories such as this. I have yet to hear in the news that a muslim or an atheist or an amoral person who shares his philosophies in a western country received some sort of treatment like this. Anybody can just highlight words but the sad fact still holds: In today's democracy,free speech is free speech only and only if Christianity isn't in the speech. This is pathetic. Many biblical Christians have been subjected to as much verbal harassment in the school or at the neighborhood but we take in stride because we purposely adhere to the individual soul liberty. As much as you honor and tolerant of words from atheists, amoral and immoral people, there should be also a tolerant of Christianity. Do remember this. Democracy is an application NOT by Islam, nor by atheism, nor by liberalism, nor by amoral practices, but by Bible-practicing believers of Jesus Christ. That's the truth and that's the fact!

December 24, 3:12 AM

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old comment by

I have yet to hear in the news that a muslim or an atheist or an amoral person who shares his philosophies in a western country received some sort of treatment like this.

That's because it's usually only the indignant, arrogant Christian fundies who won't stop after being told "no thanks, not interested."

In today's democracy,free speech is free speech only and only if Christianity isn't in the speech.

No, you still have free speech to stand on the street corner and shout fire and brimstone until you're hoarse. What you cannot do is continue to pester me after I tell you "no thanks, not interested." You see how that works?

Democracy is an application NOT by Islam, nor by atheism, nor by liberalism, nor by amoral practices, but by Bible-practicing believers of Jesus Christ.

1) Democracy was around long before Christianity.
2) Democracy often runs contrary to Biblical principles, especially the concept of blind faith.
3) Democracy (or socialism, or communism, etc.) is not necessarily tied to religion. There can be a democracy of atheists. There can be a democracy of Buddhists. There can be democracy of Quantum Presbyterians (if you're Kang or Kodos).

That's the truth and that's the fact!

No, that's your opinion. Big difference.

old comment by Zeus Almighty

"Democracy is an application NOT by Islam, nor by atheism, nor by liberalism, nor by amoral practices, but by Bible-practicing believers of Jesus Christ. That's the truth and that's the fact! "

Yeah, because everybody knows the ancient Athenians were such Jesus ass-kissers. Oh noes, they WEREN'T!
So your statement is neither truth nor fact. You're either a stupid fuck or a liar. Although there is also the chance you are both.

"Many biblical Christians have been subjected to as much verbal harassment in the school or at the neighborhood but we take in stride because we purposely adhere to the individual soul liberty."

You can pray and read your filthy Bibles at school. You cannot proselytize there. And I'm pretty sure everybody in the UK and America have heard of that Jesus cat.
As far as being harassed in neighborhoods. Those nice people whose doors you knock on? Yeah, they have the right to tell you and your god to go fuck yourselves. I doubt people see you walking down the streets holdi9ng Bibles and start throwing rotten fruit at you.
If you people want to start claiming "persecution" then you must agree to immediately allow us to start throwing some of you to ravenously hungry lions.

old comment by Anon-e-moose

"In today's democracy,free speech is free speech only and only if Christianity isn't in the speech"

We in the UK don't have a constitution. We are subjects of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II. Sure we have free speech, but there are limits. For starters, said teacher was going beyond the bounds of his job description (and 'proseltysing' isn't teaching, it's forcing one's viewpoint upon another). Besides, even teaching Christianity has to be subject to the National Curriculum in RE, and as such, it's illegal to claim that what the Bible says is fact; it has to be taught alongside scientific evidence, even if it's contrary to the beliefs of said RE teacher.

No Kitzmiller vs. Dover required. Even 'Faith' schools in this country have to teach the Big Bang, Evolution etc as fact. The law says so.

"That's the truth and that's the fact!"

Religious 'truth' != Fact. Kitzmiller vs. Dover in the US and laws governing the National Curriculum in the UK say otherwise.

Your 'truth' = Lies.

"Democracy is an application NOT by Islam, nor by atheism, nor by liberalism, nor by amoral practices, but by Bible-practicing believers of Jesus Christ. That's the truth and that's the fact!"

Democracy is descended from the combination of the Greek words 'Demos' ('The People') and 'Kratos' ('Strength').

Strength of the People = Democracy. And the concept of Democracy was invented in Ancient Greece.

The USA has a slogan: E Pluribus Unum ('From Many, One'). I also suggest you have a read-through that Constitution of yours. Y'know, the very document that is the basis of your country. Notice something? Yes, that's right.

In neither case are 'God' or 'Jesus' mentioned*

I love the smell of destroyed arguments in the morning. Smells like... victory.

*- His4Life tried to claim otherwise. She failed. As will you TheGospelWitness, if you try to argue the toss with us on FSTDT.

@JohnTheAtheist

"Actually democracy is the mortal enemy of all religion. When people don't have to do as they are told, without fear of being roasted alive, adherence to religion and it's myths tend to decline."

Exactly. The likes of TheGospelWitness would prefer it if their country was purely a theocracy, the antithesis of a democracy. In which case, I suggest they look no further than Iran and Saudi Arabia. Indeed, they should go and live in those countries, if the idea of a country in which Church and State are separate is so repugnant to them.

Trust me, in six months, they'd be fighting each other to get on the next flight to JFK or LaGuardia to breathe free air, and gaze upon the Statue of Liberty & everything she represents.

old comment by dionysus

Teaching is a job and as such the school has certain expectations. At my job I can't call all of our clients assholes and expect to retain my employment there. Free speech applies to a public setting, not at a place of employment. Would you like it if the teacher was trying to convert your kids to Islam when they're just trying to go to class to learn or would you rather the teacher did his/her job? And I'd even be willing to forgive it if it happened once or twice and nobody said anything, but to keep proselytizing when the parents asked this teacher to stop? That's going way too far and I'd expect disciplinary action regardless of the teacher's religious persuasion or lack there of.