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If life began 3.5 billion years ago, the world would have been overpopulated millions of years ago!
The current world population at the present rate would take only a few thousand years to attain! In fact, the current population is consistent starting with 8 people (Noah and his family) about 4,500 years ago at the time of the Genesis Flood.
Even conservative rates cannot stretch the origin of life to billions of years ago.
This picture from space shows lights at night around the world and illustrates how crowded the planet is getting:
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But that calculation would require a world population of 3 billion in 1955, 1.5 bn in 1902, 750 milion in 1849, 375 million in 1796...- utter nonsense.
FYI the flood (the formation of the Black Sea) was 7900 years ago.
"The current world population at the present rate would take only a few thousand years to attain!"
That's because our rate of reproduction has also increased rapidly in the last hundred years, due to better food production, storage, and transport, as well as a decreased mortality rate.
"Even conservative rates cannot stretch the origin of life to billions of years ago."
not if you're only counting humans.
"In fact, the current population is consistent starting with 8 people (Noah and his family) about 4,500 years ago at the time of the Genesis Flood."
And their fleets of semi-trucks used to move resources like food, water, and houses anywhere in the continent? And their modern farming techniques?
I seriously don't think you're taking all this into account in your overly simple exponential model.
"If life began 3.5 billion years ago, the world would have been overpopulated millions of years ago! The current world population at the present rate would take only a few thousand years to attain! In fact, the current population is consistent starting with 8 people (Noah and his family) about 4,500 years ago at the time of the Genesis Flood. "
Disease, war, plague, famine. Death in general you moron. Figure those factors in and see what you get.
"Even conservative rates cannot stretch the origin of life to billions of years ago."
Maybe not, but correct rates certainly work fine.
Y'know, they can trace the mitochondrial DNA of housecats back to half a dozen mothers that lived in the Middle East and domesticated humans about ten thousand years ago.
Does anyone know if they've traced our mitochondrial DNA back to a certain number of mothers? I've heard of "mitochondrial DNA" but I'm not sure if that has ever gone from theory to practice.
The point is, if we did come from Noah and his family, we could trace the mitochondrial DNA back to Noah's wife, Emzara. If we have more than one mitochondrial Eve, this would disprove the whole thing.
Humans weren't around 3.5 billion years ago, you twit. And there is no way there could be 6.5 billion living people descended from the incestuous pairing of Adam& Eve, and then again from Noah and his family.
Now in the real world, people got sick, child birth was often fatal, infections, the flu, etc plagues would wipe out millions. But that's clouding the issue with facts, isn't it.
You FAIL in the census taking.
@WTF: Proving that all mitochondrial DNA in humans lead back to a single female wouldn't necessarily prove the validity of the Flood. However, if this weren't the case, or that the Biological Eve doesn't exist in that time frame, then the Bible's story is definitely false (although we don't need genetics to tell us that).
Incidentally, it has been proven, using the Y Chromosome in males, that there was a biological Adam, a person from which all people descended from. That man is 60,000 years old.
More information about the human family tree: https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/
Oh for pity's sake!?!
Will somebody please tell those 'nice' folks at the Missing Universe Museum that science, logic, and graphs don't work like that? Or do I have to do it?
Look at the size of the line on that thing! It's like they drew it in crayon!
You're confusing two key events:
Alright, buddy, we'll use your "logic". Suppose the Earth's human population grew steadily from when Noah's family got off the Ark, 4500 years ago. There would be a growth rate of .457% annually.
In 200 BC, the emipre of Xerxes comprised over sent 200,000 men in the army to attack Sparta (which now has 2 movies based on it). Too bad there were only 286,000 people in existence, half of whom were women.
When the Egyptians built the Great Pyramid, at the latest in 2000 BC, only 4000 people were alive.
Looking at something from your own Bible, when David fought Goliath, only about 3,000 men were alive.
In fact, the average life span UNTIL THE 20th CENTURY was 20 years, due to high child mortality.
Only recently has technological advancement led indirectly to this overpopulation.
@ArmandT: Thanks for helping me clarify a statement I should have checked for clarity before I posted. Writing clarity fail!
@WTF: I wasn't really arguing for the Noah story. I just said that if we traced mitochondrial DNA back to several individuals, that would utterly disprove the Noah story once and for all, since every human who survived was a child of Noah's wife; and if we have several sources of mitochondrial DNA then the whole story about us all being descendants of one couple is shot. I guess I wasn't really clear in my original post.
The current world population at the present rate would take only a few thousand years to attain!
You don't say. How unfortunate that the scientific revolution happened only recently, thus sparing us from frightening child mortality rates, low lifespans, famine (in first world countries, anyway) and plagues such as the Black Death, not to mention more common disease.
" Population always follows a sharp curve like this because it is exponential rather than a straight line, fixed rate of increase. "
False premise.
"If life began 3.5 billion years ago, the world would have been overpopulated millions of years ago! "
Resulting in retarded conclusion!
Off topic, but it amused me. Taking my sanity in my hands I checked out the site's 'Opposite Theories' page, and found their comparison chart. Absolute crap of course, but mildly chuckleworthy
Fossils Lived At Same Time - Fossils Show Progression
Fossils Buried Alive - Fossils Died, Then Buried
Fossils were alive? Been watching too much Night at the Museum ?
Humans haven't been on earth for millions of years, no one is claiming they have.
Um, no, fundie.
Learn basic Geography.
The population is dependant upon the birth rate and the death rate.
For many centuries, the human birth rate was equal to the death rate. Then we discovered modern medicine, etc., etc. and the death rate went way down.
Also, the human population is estimated to stabilise about 2050.
I heard this quote, I forget where :
"The reason the world is over-populated is not that we're breeding like rabbits, but because we've stopped dying like flies."
To add to ArmandT's response, geneticists *have* identified a mitochondrial 'Eve'. But she doesn't quite fit the Noah model...
Based on the known rate of mitochondrial drift 'Eve' lived 140,000 years ago. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve for more details.
I disagree, for the simple reason that if we are all of Noahs family, then my girlfriend is my distant cousin, and I just can't stomach that
Humans (or hominids) didn't exist until about 2 million years ago. When there are too many of one species, there is often a deadly disease to cull the population. The Black Death, for example, killed up to 200 million people. It took 30-60 percent of Europe's population. (Wikipedia.) Medical science has taken humans off this culling thing, more or less, and we are now way, way too many. But, Aids, Ebola and the common cold are doing their best to cull us.
For the first 2 billion years of life or so, there was only bacterial life.
Check out the lights in North Korea, or rather the lack of lights there; it's like a black hole. Does that mean that North Korea isn't crowded...? Or that it has an insane dictator who doesn't allow modern science?
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