Wow...seriously, if you're gonna bag religion...any type of religion, atleast get your facts straight. Every time someone brings up this topic they seem to push aside the million verses of the bible that speek of God's love and forgiveness. Yes God gets angry...wouldn't you if the very thing that you created turned their back on you? The whole point of the flood was to rid the world of evil...and you call God a "homicial deprived maniac" when that was the very thing that was destroying the world. People were raping, killing, abusing and torturing each other.
Just coz you don't believe in something, it doesn't make it any less real. you can debate til your black and blue that the wind doesn't exist, but that doesn't change the fact that it does. I suppose you will find out the truth when you die.
Oh, and if you choose to ignore God then why do you celebrate Christmas and easter? If you really want to make a stance against it, then stop celebrating our holidays.
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"Eternal suffering awaits all those who question god's infinite love." - Bill Hicks
"Just coz you believe in something, it doesn't make it real. You can debate til you're black and blue that purple unicorns exist, but that doesn't change the fact that they don't. I suppose you will find out the truth when you die."
fixed it for you.
"Oh, and if you choose to ignore God then why do you celebrate Christmas and easter? If you really want to make a stance against it, then stop celebrating our holidays."
Easy: chocolate and presents. And besides, they were pagan holidays long before your religion stole them.
Why does god "rid the world of evil" with such esoteric mechanisms as floods and sulfuric rains? Couldn't he just NOT CREATE evil? Because it seems to me like:
1. god creates people and evil
If this is how it breaks down then tell your god to stuff a cactus up his ass.
A Friend: There is. That's why they're always saying its the woman's fault. If that slut hadn't been in her appartment with the lights off, under covers and a few layers of clothing, she wouldn't have gotten raped. She was asking for it you know, with all that revealing flannel and the locked door.
or that 5 year old boy/girl for running around naked like that.
Must be fun to have no consience whatsoever and be able to act like such monsters without a pang of guilt because "gawd would stop me if I was doing something wrong"...
Guess us immoral atheists just can't understand or see all that temptation behind our veil of ethics and caring and guilt...
Problem: People are killing one another.
It makes a certain sort of sense, actually. Well, apart from the whole bit about letting Noah and his incestuous brood survive to repopulate the earth with new people who kill one another ...
Just coz you don't believe in something, it doesn't make it any less real.
And just because you believe something magical doesn't make it real at all.
BTW: Some of us choose to honour the original reasons for Dec 25 being a holiday: Saturnalia and Mithras!
He couldn't snap his fingers and make them instantly vanish? He had to make them all drown painfully?
But, that's not the really sadistic thing about the actions of this character. As an all powerful being he would be aware that his creations would turn against him. To therefore create them anyway and get angry after the fact is an insane burst of logic. Being all powerful your god simply should have never allowed these people who were destroying the world to be born. But no, he had to make people fear him and in the most dramatic and brutal way possible.
Just coz you don't believe in something, it doesn't make it any less real.
Exactly. I turn now to exhibit A) The Thoery of Evolution.
edit: sort of unrelated to his post, but I'd imagine it fits.
I tell you what, Knickers, I'll stop taking Easter and Christmas as Public Holidays the same time religion stops accepting tax free status. Until that happens, those couple of days are the most expensive holidays I've ever bought. Deal?
If the very thing that I'd created turned its back on me, I'd wonder what I'd done wrong -- unless, like the oh so loving deity described in Romans, I'd created them for the specific purpose of damning most of them to hell.
You do realize that it's entirely possible to celebrate those holidays with absolutely no mention of Jesus, right? Plus, it creates too much family disharmony to say I refuse to celebrate.
(Oh, and I didn't celebrate Easter last year. I was working)
Well, you're admiting that God's love is conditional. And no, if my children turned my back on me, I would follow what Jesus said "that who goes without sin, cast the first stone".
I love when they argue their religion but know nothing about its history or text at the same time.
Hey Knikers, "[y]our holidays" were originally pagan and coopted by the early xian church, so by your own logic you should stop celebrating them.
If religion were limited to celebrating holidays, there is a long list, in all religions. Just sit down and see.
Would you drown your children if they disobeyed you? It's the same mentality.
And, fyi, Christmas and Easter are originally pagan holidays. There's even a bit in the Bible about how Jews & Christians shouldn't decorate trees, 'cuz it's a pagan tradition.
you can debate til your black and blue that the wind doesn't exist, but that doesn't change the fact that it does.
I can't do that...I'm not that stupid.
By the way, the metaphor is 'until you get blue in the face'...'black and blue' is, well...nah, you probably got that right after all. Knowing how fundies debate.
@Skywolf
They are not your holidays. You couldn't even be bothered to rename Easter!
Totally tangential, but here in Sweden it's the other way around: Christmas retains the pagan jul , cognate of English "Yule", whereas Easter is known as påsk , from Hebrew pesakh "Easter".
"Just coz you don't believe in something, it doesn't make it any less real."
I'm sure this was cut and pasted into the next thread on evolution, to which Knicker87 came up with an all new excuse to hold such an ironic double-standard.
"Oh, and if you choose to ignore God then why do you celebrate Christmas and easter? If you really want to make a stance against it, then stop celebrating our holidays. "
And the irony continues...
"Yes God gets angry...wouldn't you if the very thing that you created turned their back on you?"
No. I might be upset, but I certainly wouldn't think it warrants punishment. I am better than god.
If you love something, let it go. If it comes back to you, its yours forever. If it doesn’t, and you're God, then smash it and drown it and throw it in a lake of fire.
... "But He loves you!" - George Carlin
I don't celebrate easter. I do celebrate Christmas, however. Why? I like presents! Yay, presents!
Firstly, wind can be proven to exist. It has a measurable, and observable effect on the world. Tell the victims of Katrina wind doesn't exist. Try another fallacy.
Secondly, if God speaks of love and forgiveness, then why is he such a hard line on getting to his side? He wants us to forgive, but if we slip up, even in the most minor way, we get thrown into the pit? If he truly loved us, and felt we were on the wrong track, then why wouldn't he take a second and intervene, as opposed to letting his fan club run rampant brow beating everyone?
Finally, you're aware that Christmas for sure, and I'm quite certain Easter as well, were Pagan holidays, which Christianity superimposed their own Holy Days onto to further squelch the "Pagan" beliefs, right? Just in case you were unaware.
Yes God gets angry...wouldn't you if the very thing that you created turned their back on you?
So God is suddenly no more than a person?
And you think that's a good reason to worship him?
I don't celebrate Easter. The only nod I give to it is the dinner my family puts on some years. Once my daughter is old enough, we'll hunt colored eggs and she'll have a basket of yummy goodies to gorge herself on. Otherwise...nah, can't be bothered.
Oh. And I sleep in. No early church for me!
Christmas, same deal. Sleeping in, food and presents. That holiday is more for her than me, so I can't really bother to care. The trip to see the family will be fun, though.
They're pagan holidays, you ass. And I'd rather celebrate them for that than your reason.
Also, you can feel wind.
Thirdly, if God was all loving and created people with free will, he wouldn't give a flying f**k if people turned their backs on him. He created them with that ability, after all. (That is, if he exists.)
I don't celebrate easter and Christmas is really a pagan holiday that the christians stole and tried to pass off as the birth of their man-god. I never understood how a 400lb white old guy in a red suit, giving out presents to all the boys and girls, had anything to do with the birth of a 2000 year dead "god".
"Oh, and if you choose to ignore God then why do you celebrate Christmas and easter? If you really want to make a stance against it, then stop celebrating our holidays. "
Christian holidays? Theyre full of pagan stuff. They celebrated saturnalia in Rome long before christianity replaced their old pantheon.
Every time someone brings up this topic they seem to push aside the million verses of the bible that speek of God's love and forgiveness
God didn't show much love and forgiveness in the OT. Jesus spoke of it in the Gospels, but then that poker-up-the-butt scold, Paul, chimed in and went right back to telling people how God's gonna git 'em for being the worthless pieces of crap they are. So, no, the Bible doesn't talk much about God's "love and forgiveness".
Probably already mentioned before:
The whole point of the flood was to rid the world of evil...and you call God a "homicial deprived maniac Obviously, the flood was a temporary solution to evil. And then he sent his only son to die for the sins of the evil. Why didn't he do that in the first place? Why not just not create evil? Stupid God.
No amount of love and forgiveness can excuse the actions of the Old Testament God. I don't care what you freaks say.
And we would stop celebrating "your" holidays, except they're not yours anymore. Wal-mart and Hallmark bought them in a hostile takeover.
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