Martin Rizley #fundie

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[If I am a devout Catholic and a divorced woman came into my restuarant could I refuse her service?]

Your analogy doesn't apply, for no business owner is seeking to avoid serving certain PEOPLE, but rather, to avoid providing certain SERVICES. Christian bakers and photographers are not seeking to avoid serving homosexuals; rather, they want to avoid providing services for flagrantly anti-Christian, pagan ceremonies that purport to be "wedding ceremonies," but which no Christian can ever recognize biblically as being in any way, shape, or form an authentic wedding ceremony. Although it may sound harsh to say this, Christians actually view these ceremonies as demonic in nature, since they represent a flagrant rejection of God's law regarding marriage and are based on satanically-inspired teachings of the last days that the apostle Paul refers to as "doctrines of demons" (1 Tim. 4:1). How can any business owner, contrary to his religious convictions, be compelled by the government to provide services for a ceremony which he regards as demonic?

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old comment by Anon-e-moose

[If I am a devout Catholic and a divorced woman came into my restuarant could I refuse her service?]

"Your analogy doesn't apply, for no business owner is seeking to avoid serving certain PEOPLE, but rather, to avoid providing certain SERVICES. Christian bakers and photographers are not seeking to avoid serving homosexuals; rather, they want to avoid providing services for flagrantly anti-Christian, pagan ceremonies that purport to be "wedding ceremonies," but which no Christian can ever recognize biblically as being in any way, shape, or form an authentic wedding ceremony"

Mitt Romney was only married once, and he's a Mormon. Yet so many Teabaggers said they would've preferred Newt Gingrich: a multiple divorcee. So glad you right-wing Fundamentalist Baptist Protestant Christains are rejecting such Catholic doctrines as being against contraception, and being anti-abortion; because of course, such doctrines are purely Catholic - Popery - are they not...?! [/Ian Paisley]

...nope, no hypocrisy on your part, nosiree. [/hyper-sarcasm]

Moral: Six of one, half-a-dozen of the other. Be seeing you. [/"The Prisoner"]

old comment by Hasan Prishtina

I can understand the OP's point: the NM photographer argued that they were happy to take studio portraits for LGBT couples, just not to photograph weddings. By the same token, such a situation does not apply in a restaurant unless the divorced woman in the example is asking you to host a divorce party for her. That said, there is a touch of hypocrisy here, as in the Colorado bakers who refused a gay couple some cupcakes but were happy to do a cake for a dog wedding. Nothing demonic about such a travesty of Christian belief as that, hm?

However, if the analogy were changed a bit, there would be cause to refuse service, such as a customer ordering beer from a Muslim or coffee from a Mormon.

@ fmitchell

There is no objection in Orthodox Judaism to photographing people with tattoos if the customer isn't Jewish, because it's only a sin if you follow Judaism.

old comment by John

no business owner is seeking to avoid serving certain PEOPLE, but rather, to avoid providing certain SERVICES

Now I understand. You're saying "no business owner is seeking to avoid providing certain services to certain PEOPLE, but rather, to avoid providing certain SERVICES to certain people." The caps make all the difference [/sarcasm].

How can any business owner, contrary to his religious convictions, be compelled by the government to provide services for a ceremony which he regards as demonic?

No business owner is compelled by the government to provide services to anyone. But he can't pick and choose. If he provides services to anyone he has to provide them to everyone on the same basis. He can't pick and choose based on race, gender, sexual orientation and claim it's his "religious belief".

old comment by Nagol

Your analogy doesn't apply, for no business owner is seeking to avoid serving certain PEOPLE, but rather, to avoid providing certain SERVICES.

Hahaha, BULLSHIT! "Christians" have no problem providing services for people who've been divorced, people who've had premarital sex, people who aren't even Christian, and even for animals in some cases. This is about discriminating against gay people and everyone else can see it. Stop lying, it's a sin and you're not fooling anyone.

Although it may sound harsh to say this, Christians actually view these ceremonies as demonic in nature, since they represent a flagrant rejection of God's law regarding marriage and are based on satanically-inspired teachings of the last days that the apostle Paul refers to as "doctrines of demons" (1 Tim. 4:1). How can any business owner, contrary to his religious convictions, be compelled by the government to provide services for a ceremony which he regards as demonic?

Not all Christians view same sex marriages as demonic, and you don't speak for them. If you actually see someone's marriage as demonic then you're fucking insane. No one really cares what you think about the ceremony, however. No one's making you approve of or agree with same sex marriage. Do your fucking job and shut the fuck up.

old comment by Canadiest

"certain SERVICES"
Fine, Define "certain SERVICES"

@Hasan Prishtina tried, apparently a couple gays are OK but having to deal with a crowd of them would be pushing every nerve. That's valid. They by no means have to agree to every job that's requested. Catering, wedding/event services are always quoted contractual jobs.

I don't wanna do a gay wedding, gay party, Scientology mixxer. Bar mitzvah slightly gayer, Gay Super Bowl Home Party or Biker bonfire. The goverment isn't forcing you to, get you part figured out first.

Need a wedding cake.
OK, heres our sample binder, 2 days on most cakes.
It's for a gay wedding.
OK, is there a gay thing we have to represent on this cake?
Yes, two groom figures on top.
No we won't do that.
Can I just get the cake then?
No (or) certainly.
Can I buy the figures here?
Certainly.
Can I buy two grooms?
No they come in sets, two white folk, bride in white, two black folk, bride in white.
I want two grooms and can you gay them up?
Get outta my store.

Think he's getting arrested, super leftist cops gonna take him to jail, city will revoke his license?

Stop.

old comment by Canadiest

Y'know,,,if you people took the Bible and actually tried to live by it,,,you'd be unhirable for any business period.

Try reading that whole mess of nonsense before you pretend you're only adhereing to God's commands. You won't have the time to hating on the gays or providing a service for anyone, the best you could hope for is all day laboring for your church for no pay. Dismal room and board would be your lot and you'd better be happy about it, don't even think about expressing your unworthy opinion.

It's how Jim Jones like cults start, the insistance that you start living by just a few more chapters of that book. If your actually a Catholic you should be slaving away at a monastary somewhere perhaps.

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Yes, because treating people equally is SO anti-christian...

Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)