[After a long debate I cite evidence that the Bible says Earth is flat (Luke 4:5), that Earth had a reducing atmosphere, that abiogenesis is possible, that the Big Bang happened and that Earth is 4.5 Billion years old. I then ask him to show evidence for a creation without using the Bible. What is his response?]
I'm sorry, but since you refuse to show evidence to support your theories, and since you show that you can't rightly decipher the evidence presented I must now block your comments
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He has no clue what he is talking about and is very obviously out of his league giving his opinion on this topic when he's a scientific illiterate so he just parrots the same dismissive insults over and over every single time someone questions him about scientific matter.
Deep down he knows he looks foolish because he can't refute anything that's been said and has no choice but to concede or give non-answers like he has been doing. Of course, because he's a disingenuous religious nut he chose the latter.
In the Northern hemispere, storms are anti-cyclonic - that is anti-clockwise to you.
"I'm sorry, but since you refuse to show evidence to support your theories..."
TRANSLATION: "I don't understand the evidence you've shown..."
@Lilith C'mon, does anyone really expect intelligent discussion on YouTube?
There is intelligent discussion on YouTube, and a lot of great people. There are also a lot of jerks, too, but that's society in general, not just YouTube. In other words, fuck yourself.
And that goes for the rest of you.
Ah, the famous way of winning a debate in three steps:
repeat untill believing you won.
Luke 4:5 The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world.
This proves that Earth is flat, that Earth had a reducing atmosphere, that abiogenesis is possible, that the Big Bang happened and that Earth is 4.5 Billion years old, HOW,exactly???
Craighill9 I'm sorry but dealing with talkorigin worshipers is very tiresome goodbye
agentCDE: Quick question: if evolution 'worshippers' have posted here, as you claim... where are their comments?
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...good move if you want debate that doesn't repeat itself.
Pussy, hell.
All of geology, biology and cosmology.
Your turn.
To cf: He only mentioned that he produced proof the Earth was flat from the bible, he did not mention how he provided evidence for the rest of the debate.
Personally, Luke 4:5 doesn't prove the Earth was flat, a christian could easily assume that the only purpose of the magic mountian was to get Jesus alone and then show him visions or something like that.
I wouldn't call that guy a pussy either, I've seen fundamental atheists use the same tactic when they don't like somebody, regardless of whether the evidence is provided and correct or not. I've presented myself as a man who believes in God to an atheist once and then we were talking about evolution and I was completely agreeing with evolution (because we all know it happens) and he was continuously arguing that I did not provide enough evidence for evolution. SOME atheists are bigotted, but definately not all of them. Exactly the same with this fundie.
P.S. I love the 'fallace logic' and 'lack of evidence' excuse for getting out of arguements!
Personally, Luke 4:5 doesn't prove the Earth was flat, a christian could easily assume that the only purpose of the magic mountian was to get Jesus alone and then show him visions or something like that.
There's no indication it was a 'magic mountain' in the Bible, just an ordinary, every-day rock one. The same thing with the Temple in Jerusalem in the next verses, no indication that anything was meant other than the real, physical Temple. When you need to add to scripture to make it agree with reality there's clearly something wrong with it. In this case the problem is that the author of Luke (or probably, more accurately, of the Q document) genuinely believed the Earth was flat.
Luke 4.5 doesn't prove that the earth is flat. I'm not convinced everyone thought this in Jesus' day but it's pretty clear they did when Genesis was written.
What this fundie means by "evidence" is "Biblical texts" and it's no good telling him that these are two different things. For him, if it's not in the Bible it doesn't count. That's why he closed the debate.
You cannot reason with these people, they inhabit a different conceptual universe; it's like the Venus and Mars thing only 100 times worse. Men and women are from the solar system. Creationists are from an entirely different galaxy.
It is however important to protect as many people - especially children - from their poisonous influence. Creationism should be illegal, punishable by deportation.
Mitch
Then you just take the next step.
Ah the typical cry of the Fundie, "la la la, I can't heeeeeeaaaaar you!"
Whenever they do that, you know you win the arguement.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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