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Daniel Gollus & Alian Caraang, Beyond Today #fundie #homophobia ucg.org

Daniel Gollus: The rapture doctrine was invented primarily because it wasn’t “popular” to speak of a time when the church would endure such troubles. We are in the last days, nobody disputes that and scripture bares it out. The church today is described as in Revelation, the Laodician church. I have opportunity to visit many churches and we are “clothed in filthy rags” My indictment includes abortion, homosexual marriage and many other atrocities. We as the church body could have prevented all wickedness if we had stood as one voice and voted for right each time these came up. We have not loved one another and walked holy but rather have let wickedness slip in and divide us. The tribulation is for our good. It is because God loves us and is not willing that any should perish. Before HE brings this world to an end HE is going to give us a clear-cut choice. A time of tribulation will purge us as in fire and bring us ALL to a place of repentance and unity. IT IS BECAUSE HE LOVES US! He is most interested in us all making it home. His bride right now is clothed in filthy rags and unable or unwilling to change. God’s very nature is described throughout the whole bible and if studied you can see it.

Allie Vhorn: Hello, Can I add my 2 cents to this debate or argument? First off, without nitpicking the bible/scripture apart, God says that we should not argue amongst each other over these things, and how relevant to our salvation is it? It isn’t. Secondly, I have observed many differences in ‘religious’ beliefs in my years to know that RELIGIOUS beliefs are not of God what so ever. The Catholics believe they are correct in their understandings, the Pentecostals believe this to be true with their interpretations of scripture, and so on and so forth. Have you ever wondered why they’re are so many religions and how they came to be? And what purpose to have so many of they, do they serve anyone other then to cause dissension between men and separate us from God. Not intentionally, but that’s what religion has done, don’t ya know.
Tell me something: what does it matter if the RAPTURE happens or is doesn’t? God has promised us salvation and an eternal place in His kingdom if we believe in His son, believe He died on the cross, and resurrected and is sitting at His Father’s side. People and their religions complicate what is very simple, and miss the point of His dying for us.

Alain Caraang: If its written in the bible it will happen..Don’t mislead people sayin that its a ”false doctrine” this event will happen(Rapture)before the great tribulation otherwise even the believer will suffer from this event. My point exactly, if God added it will Happen wether people believe it or not.

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Mario Seiglie #fundie ucg.org

Can we prove that evolution is false without using the Bible? Certainly we can! Evolution is a scientific theory that stands or falls on the physical evidence. In fact, one can be an atheist, a person who doesn’t believe in God, and still not believe in evolution!

Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution, as taught at school, is a biological explanation of how creatures have supposedly “evolved” or developed progressively through natural selection and variation (now known as mutation) over eons of time from the tiny cell to the largest creatures on earth today. What is taught in classrooms is not mere micro evolution—small changes within a species—but macro evolution, the change from one type of creature to another quite distinct life form.

What many evolutionists are trying to convince you of is that there is no need for a Creator since, as they say, evolution can substitute as the mechanism for creating and transforming life. They teach that life arose from non-life and evolved from simpler creatures to more complex life forms. In other words, the tiny cell eventually became an amoeba, then a lizard, then a monkey, and finally— you !

In order to remember key points that disprove Darwinian evolution—the “molecules to man” theory—we’ll use the acronym FALSE. (A few of these points also disprove the compromise of theistic evolution—the notion that God employed macroevolution over eons in forming the creatures we see on earth today.)

A fossil is the preserved remains of a living thing. The fossil record around the earth extends an average of one mile deep. Below this level we come up with a blank slate as far as living, complex creatures are concerned.

I collect fossils of what are deemed the earliest type of complex creatures with hard bodies—trilobites. No previous ancestors of these arthropods have been found. Similar to some marine “bugs” we see today on the seashore that disappear into the sand when the waves retreat, trilobites had hard shells, all the basic organs, and complex eyes like those of flies, with hundreds of sophisticated lenses connected to the optic nerve going to the brain. Trilobite fossils are found around the earth, and in all cases the level of rock beneath them does not reveal other creatures with similar features.

As one source states: “The dominant life form was the now-extinct sea creature known as a trilobite, up to a foot long, with a distinctive head and tail, a body made up of several parts, and a complex respiratory system. But although there are many places on earth where 5,000 feet of sedimentary rock stretch unbroken and uniformly beneath the Cambrian [layer], not a single indisputable multi-celled fossil has been found there. It is ‘the enigma of paleontological [fossil studies] enigmas,’ according to Stephen Gould. Darwin himself said he could give ‘no satisfactory answer’ to why no fossils had been discovered. Today’s scientists are none the wiser” (Francis Hitching, The Neck of the Giraffe , 1982, pp. 26-27).

Question: If, after almost two centuries of digging beneath all the world’s continents, no previous ancestor of this first hard-bodied creature has been found, how then did the ubiquitous trilobite evolve? There should be some previous ancestor if evolution were true.

It’s like finding an exquisite watch on the seashore and yet never finding any previous primitive models of the watch on earth. If you reasoned as an evolutionist, you would deny there was a need for a watchmaker at all, maintaining that time, water, sand, minerals and actions of the elements are sufficient to producing a fully functional watch that runs. This is part of the reason it takes more faith to believe in evolution than in a Creator!

Further important evidence from the fossil record is the absence of transitional forms between species. Darwin was concerned that the thousands of intermediate stages between creatures needed to prove his theory were not in evidence, but he expected they would eventually be found. Yet those thousands of missing transitional forms are still missing!

Another reference explains: “If throughout past ages life was actually drifting over in one continual stream from one form to another, it is to be expected that as many samples of the intermediate stages between species should be discovered in fossil condition as of the species themselves … All should be in a state of flux. But these missing links are wanting. There are no fossils of creatures whose scales were changing into feathers or whose feet were changing into wings, no fossils of fish getting legs or of reptiles getting hair. The real task of the geological evolutionist is not to find ‘the’ missing link, as if there were only one. The task is to find those thousands upon thousands of missing links that connect the many fossil species with one another” (Byron Nelson, After Its Kind , 1970, pp. 60-62).

The absence of transitional forms is an insurmountable hurdle for theistic evolutionists as well. It also fits with our next point.

When there is no real evidence, evolutionary scientists simply make assumptions.

If evolution were true, then where is the evidence of different types of animals now “evolving” into other types? Where is the evidence of cats, dogs and horses gradually turning into something else? We do see changes within species, but we do not see any changes into other species. And, as mentioned, we see no evidence of gradual change in the fossil record either. Yet evolutionists continue to assume that transitional forms must have existed.

In Darwin’s landmark book On the Origin of Species there are some 800 subjective clauses, with uncertainty repeatedly admitted instead of proof. Words such as “could,” “perhaps” and “possibly” plague the entire book.

Evolution is still called a theory—a possible explanation or assumption—because it is not testable according to the scientific method, as this would require thousands or millions of years. Evolutionists will counter that a theory is not a mere hypothesis but is a widely affirmed intellectual construct that generally appears to fit all the facts. Yet evolution in no way fits all the facts available. Evidence does not support it—and in many respects runs counter to it.

The law of biogenesis as taught in biology class states that only life can produce life.

You’ve probably heard the famous question: Which came first, the chicken or the egg? It’s a real dilemma for an evolutionist to answer. An egg comes from a chicken, yet the chicken comes from an egg. How can there be one without the other?

To complicate matters even more, the chicken has to come from a fertilized egg that has the mixture of two different genetic strains from both its parents. So the problem of the origin of life and initial reproduction is still a mystery that evolutionary science cannot adequately answer.

Yet for someone who believes in special creation by a Creator, there is no dilemma here. First God made the male and female chickens, which produced the first fertilized egg—and the rest is history.

When one living thing needs another different living thing to survive, it’s called a symbiotic relationship.

A good example of this is the relationship between bees and flowers. The bees need the nectar from some types of flowers to feed while these flowers need bees to pollinate them. Both depend on each other to exist and survive. The question for evolutionists is: How did these plants exist without the bees, and how did the bees exist without these plants?

Again, atheistic scientists are stumped. Theistic evolutionists are perplexed as well. Yet if you believe in a Creator who specially created the various forms of life on earth, the answer is simple—both were created at about the same time.

All living things are exquisitely engineered or designed. Qualitatively, a bacterium is as majestically built for its purpose as a human body is for its function. Yet evolution says it’s only an illusion of design—that there is no real designer behind it. Reality is not an illusion! Living things are multi-functional, which means they do many complex things at the same time, something evolution with its step-by-step process has never been able to demonstrate.

One example of a living thing with exquisite engineering is the tree. It provides breathable oxygen for us while processing carbon dioxide, which would in high amounts in the air be toxic to us. It supplies wood, housing for birds, roots to limit erosion, fruit and seeds to eat, is biodegradable and gives shade. According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, “A healthy tree provides a cooling effect that is equivalent to 10 room-size air conditioners operating 20 hours a day.” How could something so complex arise from a random, undirected evolutionary process?

Again, you need more “faith” to believe in blind evolution than in an all-knowing Creator who designed the marvelous tree in the first place.

Now you have five proofs that evolution is F-A-L-S-E and that special creation is true—and we didn’t even use the Bible. Remember the acronym FALSE when you read or hear about evolution—and do take time to read our Creator’s great book of truth! It has much to say regarding origins.

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Robert76 #fundie ucg.org

No, it is evolution that is based off of zero real evidence. By contrast, the Bible is verifiable, had many many eye witnesses, and even those who lived in Jesus’ day and HATED Him could not deny the truth He preached and the miracles He performed because they saw it with their own eyes. I hope you did well on your test, but whether you believe what was on the test or not is irrelevant compared to what you believe about the God who made you and His Son who paid for your and my sins.

That is your real test, what will you believe, where will you make your stance? You need to decide if God exists or not, are you really so sure that you’re willing to bet your soul for all of eternity on the chance of an unproven theory from the 1,850’s when there is factual truth in all of creation in support of the Word of God?

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JOSEPH #fundie ucg.org


I am really intrigued by the number of athiests who feel compelled to post on a Christian website,…come on guys, post to any of the suedo scientific sites that will have you. If just looking around doesn’t convince you that a huge intelligence made you and everything you see, there is little hope for you. Incidently, we Christians have the only thing that non believers will never have; a genuine hope for better things to come.

The agnostic and athiest world has NO hope of anything other than the forever dirt lunch. For those of you non-believers that are still with me, …hook up with a believer and see if you can learn the world of FAITH and begin to see a future for yourself. No more commentary is necessary,….this has been worn to a nub.