so you think if no one believed in any religion there would be no wars or fighting? i think it would be worse. i know if i didn't fear god's judgement i would have killed many many times.
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I doubt that war would cease to exist if there were no religion, since I'm sure we'd still fight over land and resources and whatever else. But man, you freak me out. People of the "I'd totally kill/rape/pilliage if I didn't believe I'd go to hell for it" persuasion need to wear signs so I can stay the hell away.
To a degree I think it would've been better. How many folks have gladly gone to combat and even wished for death because of the 'rewards' they are promised when they are buzzard meat?
Well, there you have it. We are morally superior to you, because we don't have religion and we haven't killed many, many times.
If you require a boogeyman to keep your impulses in check, then you are not a very moral person to begin with. What the hell.
if i didn't fear god's judgement i would have killed many many times."
Very disturbing. So this person is taking the position that the only reason he is even slightly nice to people is the fear of God's wrath?
Lay off this guy.
Besides, what horrible teology would the first Christians have done to convince.......Vikings or Parthians, just to put an example. Because, what are they going to say, "please, be good boys or you´re not going to Vallhala". They didn´t promise them Heaven if they were good kids or Hell if they were bad(they did it AFTER their conversion), they convinced them through reason. I don´t think without religion there would be fewer wars, the problem is that the world is full of idiots like you.
I'm tempted to nominate this one for a Terminator "Via con Dios, Baby" Award. (Yes, I know he used "Hasta la Vista," but the deific reference is more apt here, methinks.)
Fundamentalism in a nutshell, indeed.
Sigh. These people don't even know what the word "morality" means. To them, morality is merely a set of arbitrary rules that you must follow in order to avoid punishment; they're declared by an authority who is allowed to declare them because he's physically capable of punishing people for breaking them.
1. Yes.
Think of it this way though, the world would be a less violent place if everyone was an Atheist (I'm agnostic by the way).
Okay, you've got this guy who says he'd murder if he didn't fear god's judgment. But think of it this way, if there was no god to judge, and there was no heaven or hell or afterlife, then people would be afraid to kill out of fear of receiving a punishment that would ruin or end their life (life in prison, death sentence, etc.).
So if your life is all you have, and there is no afterlife, then why would anyone go on a rampage?
It's unbelievable, I just cannot understand how or why this guy can honestly think that religion is what prevents people from murdering or any other crime for that matter. God's judgement? There is no god to judge you. I am an atheist and I don't murder because i just know it is immoral, i feel it inside me in my heart and head that it is immoral, i have no desire to do it, nor have i ever had a desire to do it. Not becasue i fear a god. To propose that there would be no morals without religion is absolutely rediculous. Let's not forget that sadly in todays world, and over all of history murder has been committed, often genocide, in the name of religious belief. Unbelievable.
I'm scared now. o_o If you actually need someone judging you and threatening you with eternal torture to keep you from killing, you're seriously fucked up in the head.
Athiests, on the other hand, don't need any invisible sky daddy to keep them from killing others. Who's the better person?
So that's the best thing about religion:
Funny how there's just SO many people who arent religious,
Fundies make me laugh!
Fearing God's wrath is the only reason you haven't killed?
There should be a special section of mental hospitals reserved for Fundies.
Now I post on these forums frequently, and indeed I argued in this topic. The bloody idiot ignored every single point everyone on the site made and just ended up saying, "I know you have evidence, but I have faith in God, and that counts at least a 100 times more than evidence." The whole argument was archived somewhere, not sure, but I did dl it once.
1. Religion and morals have nothing to do with each other.
idk, i think that if there wasn't any religion, at least organised, then the wars that would occur would not be about vendettas or blood lust, but to establish things that change the world for the better. let us not forget, your hitler was a protestant.
Well I'd sure as hell bet my top dollar that we should at least abolish religion and give it a shot in the dark. I mean, after the hundred million lives taken in the name of God, I think I'd have to say by now that religion certainly turned up short in the pile of good ideas. There's only one way to find out.
Oh boy, you're so odd...I don't fear God's judgement and I still haven't killed anybody. I'm actually pretty sure I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I killed anybody, even by accident. So what I think should happen is that you become less narrow-minded. You think all Athiests hate Christians...maybe some of us hate some of you because some of you say things like this.
P.S. Emphasis on SOME because I'm not so narrow-minded to include everyone of a certain religion.
P.P.S Good job with not using a capital 'G' when you wrote god...that'll show him that you truly do believe he is THE God. Dumb fuck. Proof read.
I'm running a campaign to preemptively lock up anyone who says those words. not because they have a belief in god, but because without their belief in god they will kill us. if they have a crisis of faith people would die.
Wow, Award. With out religion we would have never had the dark ages caused by the corruption of the church, nor would the useless crusades have happened, christians of any religions have caused more wars
What scares me is that these posts are to be found on gamefaqs, penny-arcade and other sites... completely unrelated to anything religous (okey, PA has strips about Jesus, but hey, let us at least have some fun about ayy kind of subject)
Oh dear Cajun. Did you ever come to think that rather than "not fearing god's judgements and kill" you'd just be a psychopath if you killed so many many many times?
What about atheists? They don't believe in god. So do they just go to a place and fucking kill everyone? What? Excuse me, but even without god in someone's life, they still can have MORALS.
Having poked around a bit, he still seems to be using the forum as a soapbox under a different handle.
There you have it folks:
Athiests have no fear of god. Most of us Athiests do not kill other people, nor do we have the inkling to.
According to you, Christians are cold-blooded killers, and the only thing holding them back is the fear of god.
I don't feel safe around Christians anymore.
This is why Christianity was invented, actually. Back in the day it was needed to put the fear of God in men to keep them from killing each other all the time. I'm not saying this guy is a throwback to pre-conscious man, but hey, as long as he doesn't kill anyone I'm not going to argue against his beliefs.
People have killed with God in mind as well. Before God even existed, there was fighting. Before Mohammad spread the word, there was fighting. Animals worship no God or Goddess (That we know of) and they still fight. It's called Survival but Religion made a new game of it. Even still it can be seen as survival (The apprehension of new land and resources).
"so you think if no one believed in any religion there would be no wars or fighting?"
'Nothing to kill or die for
- John Lennon, 'Imagine'.
"i think it would be worse. i know if i didn't fear god's judgement i would have killed many many times."
Two Words: Timothy McVeigh.
I love the smell of destroyed arguments in the morning. Smells like... victory.
Thank the gods that you do fear god's judgment then.
No doubt there would be killings in a world without religion, but I'd risk it.
No Holocaust, no 9/11, no bombs going off in the streets of Pakistan.....yeah, what a ghastly world that would have been.
So, you're a sociopath? Good to know! *backs slowly away and runs to FBI to alert them of the possible danger*
We normal people manage to treat others as we want to be treated without the threat of Big Daddy in the sky taking away our weekly allowance. We're "grown-up", you see; we take responsibility for our own actions, and act responsibly, using our internal conscience.
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