[In answer to the question if you had a time machine and went back to the time of Jesus' death but found he just died and stayed dead like everyone else]
If I found that Jesus did not rise again, then, I am not sure what I would do. Faith requires me to believe anyway. The "faithful" thing to do would be to say that you had somehow rigged the system to show me a false version of the events. The logical thing to do would be to stop believing. I sure HOPE (and I know you are going to be disappointed with this answer) that my faith would be strong enough to believe even when my own eyes tell me otherwise.
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A woman comes home and finds her husband in bed with another woman. The woman starts ranting about divorces and walks out of the room. The man walks after her and says:
"Honey, I didn't do anything. Who are you going to believe? Me out your own eyes?"
And:
The facts, although interesting, are irrelevant.
Why would this surprise anyone? Today, we have fundies that unconditionally believe in the Genesis account of creation although science has reasonably proven that it absolutely did not happen that way. I would bet dollars to doughnuts that Lisa0315 is such a person. Showing proof to these people is of no consequence.
But, yeah, I vote for the Nutshell award, also.
"If I found that Jesus did not rise again, then, I am not sure what I would do. Faith requires me to believe anyway."
That is the stupidest thing you could have said. Good sense requires you to believe what your senses tell you. If your foot is on fire, faith that it is not on fire isn't going to change the fact that your foot is burning.
"The "faithful" thing to do would be to say that you had somehow rigged the system to show me a false version of the events."
No, that's the stupid, blame-others thing to do.
"The logical thing to do would be to stop believing."
I'm glad you can see that.
"I sure HOPE (and I know you are going to be disappointed with this answer) that my faith would be strong enough to believe even when my own eyes tell me otherwise."
You're right, I AM disappointed with that answer. It means that believing in a proven false fairy tale is more important to you than that which has been proven true. It's believing what you would like to be true rather than what IS true. It's very poor thinking.
"So tenaciously should we cling to the world revealed by the Gospel, that were I to see all the Angels of Heaven coming down to me to tell me something different, not only would I not be tempted to doubt a single syllable, but I would shut my eyes and stop my ears, for they would not deserve to be either seen or heard." ---Martin Luther
I'm sure Jesus doesn't care whether you swallowed his virgin birth or resurrection myths. You do realize they are myths, don't you?
That's the way they did things in those days...they wrapped a successful warrior/philosopher/leader in layers of highfalutin' legend to give the simple minds something to latch onto.
And then, what usually happens is somebody else comes along and pours so much bullshit legend on, that the original message is corrupted.
Jesus' message?
"The god of Abraham is an impostor. The real God would like you to be free from that sack of godshit."
well, Lisa, we have a very special surprise for you...
Everything in the Bible was overplayed and Jesus was never the Son of God! In fact, God never existed!
</Maury>
Faith, in a nutshell. Keep on believing, no matter how high the mountain of evidence against it grows.
Theists have been blind to reality for centuries, so there's really nothing new here. Still, it's nice to have one admit (perhaps a tad unwittingly) that faith requires one to evade the truth whenever it is inconvenient and continue to believe in what that truth has just shown to be bullshit.
BTW, I don't really need a time machine to work out that, assuming he ever existed in the first place, Jesus is still thoroughly dead.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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