[It's only going to become a child after nine months of pregnancy and birth.]
No, it becomes a person right at conception. Think about it. The egg inside the mother will just sit and do nothing if left alone. Nothing changes about it, it doesn't grow, it doesn't develop, etc. The moment it is fertilized something wonderful happens, then the growth, the development and all the other wonders of life start to happen. "Oh, it's just a clump of cells" doesn't work. A clump of cells that isn't alive won't do anything. The fact that the embryo is growing and developing proves it is alive.
Concerning stem cell research, the embryo should not have been taken out in the first place because the moment it was removed that little child was sentenced to death. I think it would be best now to treat them as any other human and give them a proper burial as much as possible.
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... Unicellular beings are also alive. And about as sentient as an embryo. LET US STOP KILLING ALL THOSE BACTERIA. MASSIVE GENOCIDE, etc.
While life is awesome and all that, the life of an undeveloped embryo is as valuable as the life of an amoeba, in my opinion. I mean, after all, more than half of them do not even get implanted, as the previous poster said.
"No, it becomes a person right at conception."
No, it becomes a fertilized egg at conception.
"Think about it."
I have. Thanks for the utterly un-necessaey tip, though.
"The egg inside the mother will just sit and do nothing if left alone."
No, it will travel down the Fallopian tube, into the uterus, and, fertilized or not, most eggs do not implant and are passed out of the body.
"Nothing changes about it, it doesn't grow, it doesn't develop, etc."
No, it begins to degrade if not fertilized.
"The moment it is fertilized something wonderful happens,"
Specifically what wonderful thing happens at fertilization, but before any growth occurs?
"then the growth, the development and all the other wonders of life start to happen."
And, this is also the time when "God" imparts so many physical and mental handicaps.
"'Oh, it's just a clump of cells' doesn't work. A clump of cells that isn't alive won't do anything."
No, even a malignant tumor is a clump of living, humans cells.
Also, we had a clump of cells for dinner last night. We called it "roast beef." Though the cells were dead, they did things. They smelled great, tasted great and feed my friends and me.
"The fact that the embryo is growing and developing proves it is alive."
I do not dispute that the fertilized egg is alive. My dog is alive. My Boston fern is alive, kinda, well, barely. My cyst was alive until I had it removed. The fact that something is alive doesn't necessarily mean it's a human being.
"Concerning stem cell research, the embryo should not have been taken out in the first place because the moment it was removed that little child was sentenced to death."
Embryos are not human beings.
"I think it would be best now to treat them as any other human and give them a proper burial as much as possible."
And sentence real, actual living persons to death instead, eh? Stem cell research could save a member of YOUR family someday, you know.
Papabear beat me to it with: "No, even a malignant tumor is a clump of living, humans cells."
How exactly do people equate alive with human? I think if enough of them actually cracked a medical book and learned about the human body and the way it works there would be less of this 'instant human' at conception bullshit. To the fundies I would like to ask, "When does that 21 gram soul come in to play? A fertilized egg weighs much less then that."
This guy doesn´t understand that ALL CELLS by definition are alive. And well, even if his concerns are genouine, hinting that we women are irrelevant in the conception(that´s what it looks like)doesn´t sound very sensible.
What the hell is with the burial thing? I want my organs taken out and the rest of me cremated. I don't understand why anyone cares about the body after death--even Christians who believe in Heaven shouldn't care about the body, right, if all they're gonna be is soul?
Insane I Am says, "I think it would be best now to treat them as any other human and give them a proper burial as much as possible."
Will a cremation do? Because that's what happens to thousands of unimplanted embryoes at IVF clinics across the nation every day - when they are incinerated.
Seems more practical to use some of them to possibly cure people who are suffering from medical conditions (like I am), but fundie asshats like this one seem to think that real, suffering people are less valuable than cells destined for disposal.
Actually, the egg inside the mother will fail to attatch to the uterine wall if left alone and will be expelled from the woman's body during her period.
It then winds up on the tampon or maxi pad or whatever. I guess we need to charge Kotex with aiding and abetting the murders of millions of potential humans, don't we?
Concerning stem cell research, the embryo should not have been taken out in the first place because the moment it was removed that little child was sentenced to death.
Embryos are not taken out; only unfertilized eggs.
With IVF, the woman's ovaries are stimulated with drugs to produce unfertilized eggs. Five to thirty eggs are retrieved, examined and placed in a culture dish (the "vitro" (glass) in IVR), mixed with a sperm sample provided by the father and cultured for three to five days. If fertilization occurs, two to four of the fertilized eggs are replanted into the mother's uterus. The remainder are disposed of in accordance with the couple's wishes - either discarded, frozen or donated to another woman.
A fourth alternative, using them for stem cells, has been barred in government funded research in the U.S., but continues anyway using private funds, or more likely, in another country.
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