My 7 year old is smart enough to look at his toys and know they didn't just get there by chance. Those toys did not just evolve out of a premordial soup, no, those simple toys had a Maker.
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those simple toys had a Maker.
And the maker also had a "maker".
Why is it that you don't believe in the universe just existing, but you believe in god just poping out of nowhere?
Where did god come from? Who created him?
You almost had it there, but you lost it. If suns supposedly can't exist without someone to create them because of how complex they are, then think of how much complex that someone is that you have come up with to explain such things.
You can believe that, but as for me, I believe in God, and I believe that God came down in the person of Jesus to save us from our sins.
So did Vishnu and Osiris. In case you're unaware, both of those deities' myths of fleshy incarnation took place quite some time before Jesus ever arrived on the scene.
Is he smart enough to realise that said toys have a mechanism, a way with wich they work without importance to who made it?
Think of existence as... an unlabeled toy if you will, you can speculate all you want about who made it, but with the information at hand the only thing you can know is how it works, the rest is the imagination of a 7 years old trying to fill in the blanks.
Right. And you probably believe someone born with physical or mental problems is because of..sin, right, not faulty "design"?
The maker has a maker and the maid has a maid.
You evilutionists say we came from a Primordial soup. For there to be a soup, there has to be a soupmaker.
hail Christ, the Chief and the Chef!
Meh.
@Soldier for Christ, I think you'll find that's a 'premordial' soup ;-)
It seems Laurie here has studied biological origins just as much as her 7 year old as well.
For fuck's sake, grab an encyclopedia and learn something.
[Those toys did not just evolve out of a premordial soup...]
Appeal to complexity and false analogy--double play! Well done!
However, you are absolutely correct on one point. Your son's toys did not evolve.
This analogy sucks. Also, evolution doesn't work that way. It's not based on chance, it's based on causality. If complex things need a maker, then why doesn't your god need a maker? And even if there is a god who made everything, what's to say it's your god? The christian belief of creation is full of errors, not to mention there's no science to back up any of it's claims. Evolution, however, has been proven by science. So there's no rational reason to deny what we can see and experience in order to think that something that refuses to make his presence known made everything, and not only that, made it look like everything was made in a completely different way than what his 'revelation' shows. So either your god is a prick, a liar, a deceiver, or all three at once. There are no other options. Thankfully, he's not real, and we can actually trust what our eyes see.
"My 7 year old is smart enough to look at his toys and know they didn't just get there by chance. Those toys did not just evolve out of a premordial soup, no, those simple toys had a Maker."
Are his toys alive? Do they reproduce? No? Shut the fuck up then until you actually learn what evolution is.
"How much more so the complexity of the Sun,"
The Sun is not terribly complex. All you need is enough elements coming together to cause nuclear fusion to take place and gravity takes care of that nicely. Stars are really rather inevitable byproducts of a universe full of free floating elemental materials, such as it was after the Big Bang.
"or even our cells, so complex, but we are expected to believe that something that complex just arrived by chance."
As I often have to point out to people like you, "chance" and its cousin "luck" had nothing to do with it. Cells are the result of well understood biological processes. Precursors to cells are the result of, again, almost inevitable reactions between chemicals present on the surface of the early Earth.
Plato made a similar argument 2,500 years ago. Aquinas made it again 1,700 years later. Paley made it again in 1802. If it didn't convince Darwin, it isn't likely to convince any other scientist. It's called the "argument from personal incredulity" fallacy.
Let me simplify this a lot, ok? A shitload of hydrogen + gravity = a shitload of hydrogen in a tiny place. Wait a while, and then you've got nuclear fission from the pressure. TADAH!!!!! A star. No creator, you lose.
The fact that your 7 year old knows that toys don't evolve, and the fact that you think that people who aren't fundamentalist christians actually do believe this, shows that your 7 year old shows much more intelligence than you. You're best bet is to not indoctrinate him with all that fundy bullshit, and let him grow up to be intelligent and creative. Otherwise, he'll be a zombie like you are.
Where did the complexity that is god come from then? Complexity had to come from somewhere and evolution is the ONLY theory that provides an adequate, non-magical, explanation.
So, have fun mentally abusing your child.
"You can believe that, but as for me, I believe in God, and I believe that God came down in the person of Jesus to save us from our sins."
So...God decided that our sins needed punishing, so he came down from heaven as Jesus, and was crucified on the cross to quench is own thirst for blood?
This makes total sense.
"My 7 year old is smart enough to look at his toys and know they didn't just get there by chance. Those toys did not just evolve out of a premordial soup, no, those simple toys had a Maker."
And as long as those toys are not having sex and reproducing in the toy box every night, they will not evolve any further. Yes, I know, it always seems there are more each evening than there were in the morning, but trust me, they're not really breeding.
When I was 7, I knew that toys were not born by a mummy, they were bought in a store. I had two siblings at that time, and I had seen for myself how mom's stomach grew, and then she went away, and later she and dad came home with a brother, and her stomach was flatter.
Is the sun complex? Isn't it just a ball of energy?
The cells did not arrive by chance, they evolved through trial-and-error, by random mutations and natural selections.
Why are we expected to believe that something as complex as a god just arrived by chance/magic?
That god of yours created those sins in the first place; blame him, not humans.
“but we are expected to believe that something that complex just arrived by chance.”
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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