I must say that I, as a sister in Christ, detect rebellion in your heart towards the Word of God. Yes, we are all equal in the Lord’s eyes; however, God our Father has established certain roles for men and women and He does tell us in his Word what those roles are. A woman can share the gospel with others, certainly, but just not in a church leadership role, nor is a woman allowed to teach and lead other men “in the church.” This is clearly laid out as doctrine in the NT for the church—the Lord does not allow women pastors and 1 Tim 2:14 tells us why—.because Adam was was formed first and Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. The Lord does tell us that women are to be keepers at home, and the husband is to work and provide for his family, which is not to say that a woman cannot help out in some way (Prov. 31), but her main role is at home with the children serving her husband and being a helpmeet to him (this idea is so foreign in our culture because of the vain philosophy of women’s lib). The Lord tells us in His word for wives to be submissive and obey their husbands in all things (I’m still not perfect in this area and praying through this).
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because Adam was was formed first and Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression
Try actually reading Genesis. "... she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat." That's it. Where does it say he was not deceived? She ate it in front of him, handed him a piece and he ate it too. He didn't object or try to stop her. This idea that she "tempted" him to eat the fruit comes from your kindergarten Bible story book, not the Bible.
PS: there's no such thing as a "helpmeet". You're confusing it with "helpmate". "Meet" is an old KJV adjective meaning "appropriate". "An help meet for him" means "a help[er] [who is] meet (i.e., appropriate) for him. You should either learn Elizabethan English or get a modern Bible written in a language you understand.
Tim 2:14 tells us why
.because Adam was was formed first and Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
So Adam was just disobedient was he? Where does disobedience stop and evil start?
My husband (like any normal man) would run away screaming if his wife submitted to him 'in all things' and acted like a willing doormat. No emotionally healthy person wants a spouse who acts like a beaten dog! Only misogynists with personal problems, who need to constantly feel bigger and better, would be interested in women who act like that. Generally speaking, they're also the same ones who beat on their wives and blame women when they are abused.
Stupid women like this make me ill. Get a damn backbone, and then find a real man who doesn't need to step all over you to feel manly, you simpering Stepford Wife.
It took the devil to deceive Eve. It only took a woman to deceive Adam.
Or was it that Eve ate the fruit because she was deceived, but Adam knew perfectly well he was doing wrong? Either way, it does not make Adam a more moral person better equipped for leadership than Eve.
That's because the idiots who took control of the "word of god" decided that since women were inferiour in their eyes in the real world, they would solidify it in their holy book by saying god says it.
BTW, god also wants ten percent and your best farm animals and harvests. Make sure they are blemish free first born animals as well. The men in the temple, er, I mean GOD wants them spotless or he's gonna smite you across the back of the head. Now get moving and praise his holy name before he tortures you!
What Agent CDE said--nice one.
"All humans are equal, but some humans are more equal than others," eh?
If you're happy and you know it, clank your chains.
Also, I couldn't help hearing "detect rebellion in your heart" read in a Darth Vader voice.
The four gospel's accounts of the resurrection all differ in some of the details.
One thing that is common to all four of them, though, is this: Mary Magdalene was the first person to see Christ risen, and was given the mission to spreading the news.
In other words -- the very first person Christ made a pastor after the Resurrection was a woman.
the Lord does not allow women pastors and 1 Tim 2:14 tells us why
.because Adam was was formed first and Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
But Adam obeyed the woman when she said "try this, it's great." Thus we see that women are easily led by imaginary myth-beings and men are easily led by women...making women the natural choice to be church leaders.
The Lord tells us in His word for wives to be submissive and obey their husbands in all things
What if my husband tells me to grow a spine and make my own decisions? What should I do then?
I think most of the points in this post have been covered adequately.
That said, I would like to state my opinion that Lilith was a much cooler woman than Eve.
Strong, independent women with a will of their own == hot.
Millerfamily6, meet MsDebbie. Now that we've established your specific gender roles, well, what are you waiting for? Git nekid and warsh mah dishes dammit!
You know the way I tell a moderate Christian from a fundie. To a moderate Christian, Jesus outranks Paul, to fundies, it's the other way around!
Hey, Rocket Scientist, if that's true, would you bother to explain what Mary Magdalaine, Mary his mother, or Phoebe or Priscilla did?, or would you matter to see the Roman records that contradict very clearly what you say?.
Why does everyone feel the need to blame me? I wasn't the only one who ate from the tree. Adam and I were like children, we didn't really know anything. I know I shouldn't have listened to that serpent, but honestly, is it really necessary to blame all of womenkind for something I did? Besides, the snake sounded male, from what I remember. I didn't tempt Adam, the snake tempted me. Just because I fell for it doesn't mean that every woman would.
I may not be really smart, but I don't think it's fair that men and women should suffer just because Adam and I did something we weren't supposed to. It was, after all, our first mistake and it only made us less innocent and naive. Our descendents have done far worse things than that.
So, blame me all you want. As unjust as it is, I've gotten used to it. But please don't make my daughters suffer for it. You know that they had nothing to do with it, so it's really silly of you to act like they did, just like it would be silly to say that all men are like Adam.
Oh, and for the record...go to hell.
Rebellion in the heart? Yesss, see right through you we do.
Guilt leads to fear, fear leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. Much guilt do I see in this one.
(I’m still not perfect in this area and praying through this)
Did it ever occur to you that maybe the reason you're not perfect in that area is because it's a natural instinct to rebel against a lack of freedom?
Even if you somehow managed to force your "morals" or the entire nation, it wouldn't work. That's the problem with putting humans in a cage, Miller. Sooner or later, we're going to want to get out--and we'll be willing to draw blood to do it.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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